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A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON HAVING A REVIEW SUBMITTED AND THEN THE USER(S) TAKES DOWN THEIR GAMEPAGE
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CloseSo I was just browsing around some of my old reviews lately and I’ve just noticed that although I have 29 games reviewed thus far that there seems to be one missing from my list of reviews under my profile page, yet I still have 29 and my total makerscore hasn’t changed. Curious, I discovered that one of my earlier reviews, for Reincarnation ~ Dawn Of War ~, seems to have completely vanished off the face of the Earth including my review along with it. Hmmmm…
Anyways, I can’t view it anymore from the submissions tab, nor does it show up in my reviews page, but at least it still technically counts and I still have the makerscore for it. My question comes from another example of this:
Okay, so Reincarnation ~ Dawn Of War ~ got completely taken down, right, including any reviews for it too as well as any posts on it in the gamepage, but how come for Kentona’s review of my game, Monopolo (the old one, back in 2009), is still visible under his reviews page but the gamepage is supposedly gone (or is it just hidden and not officially deleted yet???) Also, when Monopolo comes back, what happens to his old review of the game? Does it just get added back in there along with the new gamepage? Does he have to resubmit again? Or is that one just null and void now?
Anyways, it’s not too much of a big deal, but I thought I’d ask about it. I’m actually more disappointed that Reincarnation ~ Dawn Of War ~ is completely gone and buried somewhere out there in the vast regions of vaporspace. Ugh… (Damn you, Nessiah!)
Anyways, I can’t view it anymore from the submissions tab, nor does it show up in my reviews page, but at least it still technically counts and I still have the makerscore for it. My question comes from another example of this:
Okay, so Reincarnation ~ Dawn Of War ~ got completely taken down, right, including any reviews for it too as well as any posts on it in the gamepage, but how come for Kentona’s review of my game, Monopolo (the old one, back in 2009), is still visible under his reviews page but the gamepage is supposedly gone (or is it just hidden and not officially deleted yet???) Also, when Monopolo comes back, what happens to his old review of the game? Does it just get added back in there along with the new gamepage? Does he have to resubmit again? Or is that one just null and void now?
Anyways, it’s not too much of a big deal, but I thought I’d ask about it. I’m actually more disappointed that Reincarnation ~ Dawn Of War ~ is completely gone and buried somewhere out there in the vast regions of vaporspace. Ugh… (Damn you, Nessiah!)
yeah, this is an old problem that I hope to address in an upcoming site update. The problem is that reviews are attached to a game (which kind of makes sense), but has the side effect of, if anything takes down that game, the reviews (and Medias) are "lost" to the public.
If the game ever came back, then so would the accepted reviews.
What I want to try to do is make the accepted reviews still accessable and readable even AFTER a game goes into the TWILIGHT ZONE.
...not sure what to do about reviews for games marked Private after the fact though...
Also, you mean "Damn you, Archeia" as she was the one who hid the game.
If the game ever came back, then so would the accepted reviews.
What I want to try to do is make the accepted reviews still accessable and readable even AFTER a game goes into the TWILIGHT ZONE.
...not sure what to do about reviews for games marked Private after the fact though...
Also, you mean "Damn you, Archeia" as she was the one who hid the game.
Maybe we could shunt them into a "Review Archive" and "Media Archive" in the relevant Game portal sections?
That would be great if you could do so, Kentona.
Oh yeah, I forgot; it was Nessiah who was the one who took the entire gamepage down. Silly me. (Sorry ‘bout that, Hirei, heh.)
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Also, you mean "Damn you, Archeia" as she was the one who hid the game.
Oh yeah, I forgot; it was Nessiah who was the one who took the entire gamepage down. Silly me. (Sorry ‘bout that, Hirei, heh.)
Weirdly this mostly answers a question of mine, not about reviews (sorry for hijacking your thread there Sir Addit), but posts. There are a few I've written with feedback to games that whilst I always keep polite, aren't complementary. Generally because the language is incomprehensible, or comprehensible but exceptionally badly written or it has game-breaking bugs and the like but when I've gone to check if the developer has responded in either a positive or negative light I get the wall climbing paint page. However since I can still see the posts in my profile does that mean the game is just hidden, not gone? It's just you only mention reviews and media as being linked to the game, not posts. I really, really don't like the idea that my criticism could be the reason someone leaves and destroys their work. It's distressing. English can be corrected, bugs squashy and faults fixed, but deleting a game is sort of permanent, so I'm a little relived if still having access to the posts means the page is still there, I just can't see it.
Oh and Addit, I second the disappointment about Reincarnation, and I doubt very much we are Robinson Crusoe there.
e: Actually I just had a thought, I tend to write out my rough draft for reviews in Word, but the final version on the site, which means I don't have the completed reviews. If a developer takes or hides their game page, I'll lose that. Right better go and copy all the reviews I've done.
Oh and Addit, I second the disappointment about Reincarnation, and I doubt very much we are Robinson Crusoe there.
e: Actually I just had a thought, I tend to write out my rough draft for reviews in Word, but the final version on the site, which means I don't have the completed reviews. If a developer takes or hides their game page, I'll lose that. Right better go and copy all the reviews I've done.
I'm pretty sure nothing ever actually gets deleted. It just becomes inaccessible for public safety, hence the anti-climbing paint. It sucks that reviews and media become blocked along with the page they're attached to, so I'm glad to hear a fix is in the works.
- Hey, Reincarnation ~ Dawn Of War ~ is back – and so is my review! :D
Well, whatever the hell just happened, it looks like my problem is solved now. Thanks, whoever's responsible. *dances*
Well, whatever the hell just happened, it looks like my problem is solved now. Thanks, whoever's responsible. *dances*
People take their games down for various reasons. No need to throw blame for that at them. We don't know why the game was taken down in the first place so...
Whatever the reason, that is the creator's prerogative and it's up to them as to whether a game stays up or not. I clearly remember a certain someone taking their game down in a huff of anger before leaving (;p) when I was looking forward to playing it and never putting it back up again (which is a pity, since apparently it was pretty good) but I ain't complaining. Addit. ;D
Again, what people do with their games is up to them and that's all good. But yeah, the idea of an archive for reviews, media and other non-creator game submissions would be a great idea.
Whatever the reason, that is the creator's prerogative and it's up to them as to whether a game stays up or not. I clearly remember a certain someone taking their game down in a huff of anger before leaving (;p) when I was looking forward to playing it and never putting it back up again (which is a pity, since apparently it was pretty good) but I ain't complaining. Addit. ;D
Again, what people do with their games is up to them and that's all good. But yeah, the idea of an archive for reviews, media and other non-creator game submissions would be a great idea.
I and all related works under my name and my friends are now unaffiliated with all future plans of the project. The purpose of the gamepage is very moot.
I have provided her a working build to recreate Reincarnation to her liking that she failed to communicate with me, as it was one of the major issues that caused the break up among many other things. So while I understand that you are disappointed Addit, single-handedly calling out someone without knowing what's happening behind the scenes is inconsiderate to your fellow game developers.
I have provided her a working build to recreate Reincarnation to her liking that she failed to communicate with me, as it was one of the major issues that caused the break up among many other things. So while I understand that you are disappointed Addit, single-handedly calling out someone without knowing what's happening behind the scenes is inconsiderate to your fellow game developers.
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author=AdditI let it happen so it's ok I understand lol.
That would be great if you could do so, Kentona.
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Also, you mean "Damn you, Archeia" as she was the one who hid the game.
Oh yeah, I forgot; it was Nessiah who was the one who took the entire gamepage down. Silly me. (Sorry ‘bout that, Hirei, heh.)
I'm not going to go into details about why things ended up the way they did...since it seems Archeia already did it but you're free to check out https://www.facebook.com/reincarnationrp for updates. I apologize that the download was taken down and so was the page.
You could attach the reviews to the profile of the person who made them, but then you have the issue of if that person deletes their account then the all his reviews go away.
I think for separating reviews for Demos vs. Full Games:
(I know this wasn't brought up here, but I know Kentona has been thinking about it.)
First, on the game page you could put a line ______________ separating the review page. With reviews for full content at the top and reviews for the demo at the bottom. You could also make the text for the review link different so it was easier to tell what kind of review it was for. And lastly reviews submitted for demos / episodic games would get 50M and reviews submitted after completed game would get 75M.
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I have provided her a working build to recreate Reincarnation to her liking that she failed to communicate with me, as it was one of the major issues that caused the break up among many other things. So while I understand that you are disappointed Addit, single-handedly calling out someone without knowing what's happening behind the scenes is inconsiderate to your fellow game developers.
I know that one person isn’t solely responsible for how things ultimately ended up, Nessiah. Whatever was the case, I’m sure that you guys tried your best, including Hirei and all the others involved. These things happen all the time with something as grandiose as this, so I don’t really blame anybody for what happened. Besides, you never know what the future might hold. You guys might decide to pick it up again down the road, or a few members from the former team might. At least we got a demo – and I got to play it! So don’t think of it that I’m just squarely putting the blame on you; I was just joking around. If it sounded like I was coming across that way, then I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to upset anybody. :(
@kory_toombs – I like your idea about separating reviews on the page from the full version and the demo version of the game, kinda like how GameFAQs does it with its reviewing system in that regard. I don’t know if I would change the makerscore that you receive regardless of the status, but you won’t hear me complain about it if it gets bumped up from 50 to 75. Since most of my reviews are for the full versions of a game, I’ll be goin’ up if this happens - TO THE EAST SIDE!
I'm not sure about the demo/full game distinction needs to be that distinct but maybe some form of separation is an idea. Personally I tend to start each review with an indication if the review is for the demo, full or partial (chapter 1 of 6 for example) version of a game and I know that quite a few others do too, including you Addit, so I can determine if the score system is subject to modification.
What I don't actually agree with is the distinction in MS, writing a review for a demo version is sometimes harder than one for a full game, because you are more likely to come across bugs, errors, incomplete story lines, glitches etc. which make the both the playing and the reviewing experience less enjoyable and more work.
Also since MS is a pseudo-reward for contributing to the site, then surely supplying constructive criticism and feedback on a demo is actually more supportive to the developer than it is for a fully finished game. As providing it early allows them to polish and correct before they present the completed article therefore making it much more likely the game will be received in a better light.
Personally I think leaving the MS as it stands is fine, a review is a review, whether it's for a 1 hour demo, a 2 hour game or a 30 hour opus.
Also, Archeia_Nessiah if my comment about being disappointed that Reincarnation was unavailable was hurtful in any way then please also accept my apology, that was not the intent.
What I don't actually agree with is the distinction in MS, writing a review for a demo version is sometimes harder than one for a full game, because you are more likely to come across bugs, errors, incomplete story lines, glitches etc. which make the both the playing and the reviewing experience less enjoyable and more work.
Also since MS is a pseudo-reward for contributing to the site, then surely supplying constructive criticism and feedback on a demo is actually more supportive to the developer than it is for a fully finished game. As providing it early allows them to polish and correct before they present the completed article therefore making it much more likely the game will be received in a better light.
Personally I think leaving the MS as it stands is fine, a review is a review, whether it's for a 1 hour demo, a 2 hour game or a 30 hour opus.
Also, Archeia_Nessiah if my comment about being disappointed that Reincarnation was unavailable was hurtful in any way then please also accept my apology, that was not the intent.
The MS gained by the game is affected by whether the game itself is completed or not and the rating of said review, not the review type - the MS gained by the reviewer isn't changed at all as it would be pretty silly to make that distinction seeing as they'd both just be reviews and are required to meet the same standards. I don't think that will change. We shouldn't punish people for reviewing demos instead of full games.
Maybe something like a Lost Games archive where it has the name of the game that's been removed and links to the non-creator content? I'm thinking these games could be searchable if you tick the 'lost games/whatever name' tag in the Game Search engine, but not during normal game searches. Have a list like the normal game page list, but with no access to game pages, just links to reviews/etc next to the name of the game.
Maybe something like a Lost Games archive where it has the name of the game that's been removed and links to the non-creator content? I'm thinking these games could be searchable if you tick the 'lost games/whatever name' tag in the Game Search engine, but not during normal game searches. Have a list like the normal game page list, but with no access to game pages, just links to reviews/etc next to the name of the game.
Speaking of MS, I don't think I got any MS when Addit submitted his 4.5 star review for Enelysion... I think there was a problem with the system that time. ;_;
You don't get MS for each review as a member of the game profile, only the reviewer gets MS for each review they write and that's a flat number (50 MS). As somebody involved with a game profile you get MS based on the star score of the game and if it is complete or not. Based on the reviews of Enelysion I'd assume before Addit's review it was 3.5 stars and the review bumped it up to 4 stars. Your game would jump from giving 280 MS to 340 MS, only increasing your MS by 60, not 600. You can see how much MS your submissions give by checking your the submissions page, a link is on the top bar after notices. Here's a guide for what gives what including the MS for a X star game and if it is completed or not.
e: As for reviews, IMO if a game profile has accepted reviews the writer didn't delete they should be available to be read. The mechanism that reviews can't be submitted for a game without downloads should be sufficient for making sure a review is for an actual playable game, just a playable version is currently not available. As for games no longer available (deleted/denied/made private), I'd throw my lot in with the 'lost' content page. It's a shame somebody's content was removed because somebody else took it down.
e: As for reviews, IMO if a game profile has accepted reviews the writer didn't delete they should be available to be read. The mechanism that reviews can't be submitted for a game without downloads should be sufficient for making sure a review is for an actual playable game, just a playable version is currently not available. As for games no longer available (deleted/denied/made private), I'd throw my lot in with the 'lost' content page. It's a shame somebody's content was removed because somebody else took it down.
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying that then, GRS. Guess I have to work my butt off to get into the 3K MS club. XD
