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Guys, artists -- how comfortable do you feel in drawing 18+ art? Those of you who do - how does it affect your career and reputation as an artist, positively or negatively?
What reaction do you think your followers would have if you started delving into 18+ art? How would the market react to that? Would it be wiser to opt for a pseudonym instead?

I myself am thinking on working on some 18+ ero stuff, for $$, anatomy training and because heck, it's a hella' cool! But I am afraid of it having a negative impact on my nonexistant career as an artist. I'm not sure if it'll be worth it.

Probably it will, as long as I can earn money doing what I love, but--~

(also it's technically easier to make money with 18+ art)

Give your opinions and your own expeciences on the matter!

Sorry if this is the wrong forum ><

and i'm kind of nervous for having posted this u_u
As someone who isn't an artist (bar writing) I'll just say that there are some of us who really, really appreciate the, uh, seedier side of art and rather enjoy checking it out.

Eh, I love me some nudes and shit, what can I say (not literal shit, just metaphorical).

As a writer, though, I've never written porn that was paid for (mainly just presents for friends or myself ;p ) but it can be hard at times to, uh, justify (?) such a thing to others outside of who it was made for (and god forbid your parents ever find it by accident - take it from me, embarrassment both ways).

I say don't be scared about negative impacts on your career. I mean, even the greats drew nudes, yeah? And how many amazing artists went and painted scenes of debauchery and the like? It can also give you a good experience in figuring out the human body in different positions - musculature, skin tone, shadow, hair... all kinds of shapes and expressions~ ^.^ Use it to learn and refine those skills~
Ocean
Resident foodmonster
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Use a pseudonym if you feel you aren't confident or feel you have people you know IRL that you don't want to have find out, but otherwise I'd just make a distinction between the normal art and NSFW ones, different galleries so a person who doesn't want to see the NSFWs doesn't have to.

You have manga artists like Azuma who made Azumanga and Yotsuba&! draw hentais before, which I find kinda funny because Yotsuba&! is very much for all ages and pretty innocent.

I've seen people make a new account name for themselves when they want to unassociate their username with 18+ art. Some people don't mind and are fine with having 18+ art and normal art be under their username. If you're freelancing it all the way, then I think it's fine to have both normal and nsfw arts, and it shouldn't be a problem there.
slash
APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
4158
Drawing nudes is pretty typical practice for artists, I think - it's great for anatomy. I've gotten weird looks or laughs when I try to explain that to people, though...

A pseudonym is not a bad idea at all, if you're shy about being associated with that kind of work. It definitely feels like porn is much more publicly acceptable nowadays than it was a generation or two ago, but I think it does have a reputation as "cheap" or "base" art, for whatever reasons.

Anyway, I think you should go for it! I'm not about to judge you :P Good luck!

(That said... it'd be great to see some porn treated with the same care and cleverness other stories are written with. Be creative!)
janussenpre
愛・おぼえていますか
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I've had a fair amount of experience drawing 18+ material, both paid and unpaid. In all honesty, I don't think too much of it. Drawing nude characters or naturally occurring events like sexual intercourse is pretty par for the course if you want to continue to develop your artistic skills. Of course, doing it and doing it and showing it around to people are two separate matters and that's where it really depends on the level of comfort each individual artist has regarding adult subjects.

In all honesty, I've actually made close to ten thousand dollars in adult related art commissions in the last few years, so there's definitely a market for it. If you truly want to make a living as an artist, and you yourself don't possess any qualms about the subject matter, then by all means... give it a shot. It's important to try and diversify your skillset as much as possible. Being able to correctly draw a naked character is just as important as being able to draw them fully clothed.

I've found that my openness and experience in drawing 18+ art has also been quite a boon. Ecchi capable artists are typically harder to find in communities like this (good ones are even rarer) so anything that makes you stand out is a good thing considering the insanely competitive world of online graphic arts freelancing.

As far as a pseudonym goes... I'm technically against the idea of having one in theory, but I do think that it's the more prudent course of action. Stuff on the internet never really goes away after all. My day job would suffer greatly should my students ever happen upon any of the big breasted ecchi pics I've done that are squirreled away in the deepest corners of miscellaneous jp image boards. >.>

On a lighter note, I actually prefer ecchi requests as far as paid commissions go. From my experience, they've usually earned me 50% more money for 50% less work.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
My only real advice for drawing porn is: make sure you're comfortable with people knowing your fetishes. Because, uh, they will probably come out in your work.

Also, I guess it might limit your ability to make stuff for kids later in your life, if you plan on doing artwork for a living. This is basically just my own conjecture, but I imagine some studios might not be thrilled to hire you to draw a saturday morning cartoon or a children's book if they realize that any fans who try to search for more of your work are gonna get a bunch of loli furry lesbian foot scat.
I don't think the OP is asking for conjecture.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Too bad! It's too late! I already did it!
A lot of successful Japanese artists came from eroge. Just saying.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Yeah, if you happen to live in Japan, converting porn directly into childrens' cartoons is apparently a pretty hot market. They keep the same plot and title and everything. (Somehow I don't think that trend is likely to take off in the US.)
Well, I'm not Japanese NOR American. However I do am* more interested in the Japanese market than the American one!
Thanks guys, you're being really helpful. It's just that my uncle, who works as a Game Director at Ubisoft (in Paris) told me to be careful about my moves now, or it could stain my career forever. >.<
That got me a bit nervous, but he's really conservative, so...
But yeah, I believe then that I'll start working on it. :3
Hopefully this will help me with my horrible anatomy and perspective skills and earn me a few bucks :DDDD ♥

And I won't really make a pseudonym, just another blog. /^w^)/

*Is it correct to say "Do am"? XD
slash
APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
4158
You can just say "I am", like "I am more interested in the Japanese market than the American one".

If you're interested in a mainstream game development job, you should definitely pay attention to the things you post. That said, there's a ton of really good game artists out there who've made plenty of porn-ish stuff - Paul Robertson and Mariel Cartwright come to mind - although they're both in the indie scene.
BizarreMonkey
I'll never change. "Me" is better than your opinion, dummy!
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author=JosephSeraph
Guys, artists -- how comfortable do you feel in drawing 18+ art? Those of you who do - how does it affect your career and reputation as an artist, positively or negatively?
What reaction do you think your followers would have if you started delving into 18+ art? How would the market react to that? Would it be wiser to opt for a pseudonym instead?

I myself am thinking on working on some 18+ ero stuff, for $$, anatomy training and because heck, it's a hella' cool! But I am afraid of it having a negative impact on my nonexistant career as an artist. I'm not sure if it'll be worth it.

Probably it will, as long as I can earn money doing what I love, but--~

(also it's technically easier to make money with 18+ art)

Give your opinions and your own expeciences on the matter!

Sorry if this is the wrong forum ><

and i'm kind of nervous for having posted this u_u
I love drawing my own material, I can accommodate for any weird fetish I have and not have to give a lick to anyone, that said-- I'm not often public about it. If I am it's on a board that I know won't have trouble with these ill confessions.

I've never posted a picture of my porn though, because it's not incredibly good, just awesome for me because it can be what I like to see.

Also on most forums posting pron is a bannable offense, anyway. I'd be too ashamed of whatever I did create to go through with posting my self-engineered smut even if that rule wasn't a virtual constant across most boards I visit.

Sometimes I'll post a harmless part of the image, like for instance if i like how the face and head came out, I'll post that if it's separable from the obscene NSFW spectacle that the image would be at full capacity.
Just to add...
Naked people may not be considered as 18+ art (not even naked child) if the intention is OBVIOUSLY not erotic.

Some drawins may be 18+ even with full clothed characters and without visible or suggested sexual organs.

So... what are you talking about exactly? In both cases I by myself wouldn't care. Any product has it's public and may be part of your career and exploration as an artist. And you can always move on to other stuff as many artists didn't wrote/draw/song the same all their careers.

If you do it tactfully you may not disturb anyone with your creations that, in fact I encourage, you should share. You may surprise how many of your friends would even like to pose for you if you give them a good drawing of themselves (no kidding, personal experience). At the very end we are all born naked and with sex so... what does it have to be hidden?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
author=BizarreMonkey
I've never posted a picture of my porn though, because it's not incredibly good, just awesome for me because it can be what I like to see.

Also on most forums posting pron is a bannable offense, anyway. I'd be too ashamed of whatever I did create to go through with posting my self-engineered smut even if that rule wasn't a virtual constant across most boards I visit.

I don't know if you are aware of this but the internet is like... 70% porn, 29% cat videos and 1% everything else. You can find an infinite number of places dedicated specifically to letting people post drawings of your particular weird fetish.
I guess you have to be careful not to do child pornography. That IS illegal.
Or loli/shota stuff.
I'm pretty sure its only illegal if it involves actual children (i.e. pictures or clever photoshopping). Drawings and fictional stories involving underaged sex are fine for right now. The only exception I ever heard of is if the fake image is indistinguishable from a real image.

Sometimes people try to push for the criminalization of fictional/cartoon child pornography, like recently in Japan, but I doubt it'll happen any time soon. (It was once the case in the past here in the U.S., though...)

Just don't be surprised if no one ever wants to talk to you again if they find out you draw little boys' winkies.

edit: Okay, its actually illegal, or at least vaguely so, in a lot of places: the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Norway, South Africa, South Korea, the Philippines, Sweden (maybe), and in some US States.
But really a lot of it is just really vague and seems to change on a whim from case to case.
slash
APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
4158
If you're concerned about your reputation and future career, I'd steer clear of anything close to that realm, just to be sure. I'd also be careful about anything that might be considered cruel or harmful in general.
Nah, I'm quite orthodox a person gahahah. I believe what I draw won't cross anyone's borders unless that person is a fanatic theist or something. So no gore, loli, considered "immoral" because I'm... Not precisely a fan of that either.
Prolly just some silly adult dressup games or sweet romantic comics with erotic scenes and nothing more than that. :3c
That's my cup of tea anyways, so I guess I'm in the safe zone.

Except it won't be necessarily straight stuff but people are cool with that nowadays lol

Thanks guys, ya really helped me.
And on top of that MY NEW DIGITALIZER TABLE IS ARRIVING THIS THURSDAY AYAYAYAYA♥

SO MUCH TO DO ;_;
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Just be sure to post it here.

So we can... evaluate it... for... critique. Yeah. Uh huh.
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