18+ ART AND YOUR REPUTATION

Hmmm, I'm not so sure how "just art" will sell here. People who just want some porn will probably just go to some free streaming site or a "channel" (for drawn stuff) where they can get it for free rather than looking for where they can buy a picture.

I guess it works better if you just draw whatever the customer wants. In that case hardly to worry about your reputation since if the client wants it it's not your fault.

Then of course you can help out making ero games and be paid for that. I see that quite more likely.
In fact there are some artists that made some hentai games & sold them quite successfully and some of them actually got quite a big fanbase at that. Rarely see hate messages about them.

I'd probably keep this stuff in my "digital life", though. Like, not going to show it to my parents and colleagues.

author=LockeZ
I don't know if you are aware of this but the internet is like... 70% porn, 29% cat videos and 1% everything else. You can find an infinite number of places dedicated specifically to letting people post drawings of your particular weird fetish.

Either you're being overly optimistic of the internet's versatility or I'm hard pressed despite all best efforts to find such glorious hubs of scandalous filth. Might have been awesome if they'd been around back when it actually mattered, doesn't now because I'm self supplied.

Yes, I do know a few of them where I could post it, but again, I'd be too ashamed of it to go through with it. (Mostly because im kind of a shit artist in comparison, I just drew my first pussy the other day.)

If we all act like adults no one should care that you do 18+ work. When I am looking for a artist and they list that they do not do 18+ stuff it does not stop me from hiring them.

Though that being said it also does not help my opinion of them, I would think a REAL artist would not restrict themselves in anyway.

Yeah. The only reason someone would commission hentai is because they're into something that can't be found on the internet already.

Think about the implications of that for a second.

author=Dudesoft

author=Lato
If we all act like adults no one should care that you do 18+ work. When I am looking for a artist and they list that they do not do 18+ stuff it does not stop me from hiring them.

Though that being said it also does not help my opinion of them, I would think a REAL artist would not restrict themselves in anyway.

In all fairness, there's a lot of sick weirdos. I stopped doing 18+ commissions after the first person tried to commission me:

Can you draw a woman pooping out a baby from her butt? She should be really sweaty and in pain.

Just easier to say, "I don't draw that stuff" than wad through the sickos to find someone asking for a reasonable nudie pic.

At a convention, my mentor had someone ask him for a picture of Wasp from the Avengers, naked while being covered with honey so it looks like cum. Weird

I thought this thread was dead, that's why it took me 4 days to find this post.

This reminds me of the first time I opened myself up to commissioned work. Drawing, writing, you name it, I do it. I advertised myself as being up to doing literally anything, and the first guy who came by really made me reconsider.

Quoted message in its entirety from DevArt:



Guess which one I went for; you'll probably be wrong.

Given up? For the sake of putting that last oomph in this post, here's the answer:



The moral (and morale. holy shit, I had to go out for a walk shortly after I started writing) bomb had been dropped. At that point it was too late to turn back.

When/if I go back to doing commissions, I'll now have standards set in terms of what is strictly "nope" territory.

author=Lato

author=Dudesoft

author=Lato
If we all act like adults no one should care that you do 18+ work. When I am looking for a artist and they list that they do not do 18+ stuff it does not stop me from hiring them.

Though that being said it also does not help my opinion of them, I would think a REAL artist would not restrict themselves in anyway.

In all fairness, there's a lot of sick weirdos. I stopped doing 18+ commissions after the first person tried to commission me:

Can you draw a woman pooping out a baby from her butt? She should be really sweaty and in pain.

Just easier to say, "I don't draw that stuff" than wad through the sickos to find someone asking for a reasonable nudie pic.

At a convention, my mentor had someone ask him for a picture of Wasp from the Avengers, naked while being covered with honey so it looks like cum. Weird

If your asking for money you are the one in need. A job is a job. Go to a restaurant, your waiter will make sure you get your food because you paid for it, besides that he doesn't really think of it.

If you are asking for money then be a professional. When I see people asking for paid work and acting like a child I will not hire them. I say this because I see about half the ppl here being jerks when asking for money and the other half saying they just do not want to do that.

If you are asking for paid work and 18+ stuff makes you feel bad, that's fine as long as you say so in a polite way and move on. But for those that have to say something rude, well there is ALWAYS someone willing to do the job for less money and probably with more skill.

Lots of people need to pay the bills and put food on the table so don't be so snarky and quit smelling your own farts.

How entitled.

There's such a thing as morals, and it's not always possible to go auto-pilot while working (hell, I quit my last job because I had to put up a facade of "I care about what you have to say except I don't and I'm being forced to ask you how your day was, and we all know how much bullshit that is"). Some of us don't want to draw rape or snuff, because these things have to pass through our minds and gain our own approval before they can be created. Just because you're willing to pay doesn't mean you are owed anything. And:

well there is ALWAYS someone willing to do the job for less money and probably with more skill.

Either 1. they're a sucker and you shouldn't exploit that, or 2. that's a load of hooey because nobody would honestly be able to pay $100 for the Mona Lisa and walk home with it. Scribbles for nickles, nuff said.

Well, that doesn't necessarily mean "willing" to pay. Unless you assumed the person already had payed?
Such commissions, any business usually, build on an agreement of buyer and maker.
If the buyer can't agree to pay that large amount for his painting, he will walk away. If a maker can't agree with his morals to paint a request - while he could very well paint something does fall in the frame of his morales - then he will not take up that request. Unless more money makes up for the extra mental work and remorse (although that is still questionable and personal) or extreme dire need (no other customer available).

The only true entitlement is when either it was clearly stated that anything goes, or when it was already agreed upon, or even payed. Then the customer is entitled to his product. He's entitled to have - should the request be taken upon - as much quality and effort put into this as in other requests. Should the maker not be able to do that (because he can't bring himself to spent that much effort while fighting against his belief system), then that would be another valueable reason not to take it up in the first place.

I don't see that we should abandon morales completely just because we offer something. I'm not quite sure everyone working at the post office would help you pack and send some animal organs or instects you try to send someone as a prank ..

The thing about "being in need" is more a mindset.
If you are the customer, the best way to make a worthwhile trade is to go in thinking "you're the one in need, I could just go to someone else instead!" - which is true. There are usually plenty of people offering somethig out there, you just need to take extra effort to go to them and play this game once more.

If you are the seller, the best way to make a similarily worthwhile trade is to go in thinking "you're the one in need, I could just wait for someone else instead!" - which is also true. There are plenty of customers around, and granted you do not sell something extremely extra-ordinare that you can't hope of ever getting out of your sight (a bad place to start), you will eventually get rid of it.

The other person subconsciously falls into this play and indeed, they just want to be done with it if they can (but we're not talking on moral edge here).
It's a matter of investing extra time and effort, and usually, this mindset just helps to get this done in one's favor, because you have a stronger presence.

It's a matter of willingness to invest extra effort. And even then have both sides a valid reasoning which can only prevail because they do offer enough quality services and products, and because people are willing to pay at least a reasonable amount of money. We already need an inbetween thing for it to work.

So I'd have to disagree with both "the buyer is in need" and "the seller/maker is in need". It's just a silly thing to say.

Still, you shouldn't judge people. That's the only thing you should try to do regardless.