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Closeauthor=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
i don't know how much clearer than 'we are confirmed town to each other' i can be.
I'd like some "proof."
Honestly, I'm surprised that so many jumped so suddenly into the ballpit and cancelled without giving good reason. Not saying that I don't believe you, Cave, I do, but the only one who actually considered a mafia possibility was Wes.
As I said, I believe Cave in this - I'm just not getting a scum reading from him, gut-wise. Another, more solid reason that I believe is that mafia wouldn't know that there are millers about and thus claiming would be a chancy move. Especially on day one with no-one currently missing.
So I'll trust in Cave and JJ. That strikes one from the list of mafia possibles.
As I said, I believe Cave in this - I'm just not getting a scum reading from him, gut-wise. Another, more solid reason that I believe is that mafia wouldn't know that there are millers about and thus claiming would be a chancy move. Especially on day one with no-one currently missing.
So I'll trust in Cave and JJ. That strikes one from the list of mafia possibles.
author=Liberty
So I'll trust in Cave and JJ. That strikes one from the list of mafia possibles.
*for me. I'm sure others are still suspicious - after all, we've yet to hear from everyone, but two mafia members claiming that particular role on day one is very chancy in a vanilla game of mafia as they've no surety that there's no real millers in the group to nay-say them.
I don't expect you to provide proof, that's why it was in quotes. I'm just saying - you're like "How could I be more clear" and I'm like "Well you could have proof."
I'm just shocked that everyone believed you.
Nowhere in the rules does it specify that there are matrons. Or lovers. Or serial killers. Just because they aren't mentioned does not make them a given. If those are in the game, normally that would have laid that out in the OP.
And there was also you saying that Yellow Magic's vote was still on you, when he had shifted it.
This game is full of people who can't read. Myself included.
I'm just shocked that everyone believed you.
Nowhere in the rules does it specify that there are matrons. Or lovers. Or serial killers. Just because they aren't mentioned does not make them a given. If those are in the game, normally that would have laid that out in the OP.
And there was also you saying that Yellow Magic's vote was still on you, when he had shifted it.
This game is full of people who can't read. Myself included.
MajoracanKing
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I just thought not cancelling would make you guys want me dead even more. Even though I probably won't live much longer as it is.
My main suspicions as of now are Takyon (jumpy), yellow (Yet to find reason), and wes (jumpy, hypocrite).
None of these are very good suspicions, but I haven't TheoDutch and bartsol. Likewise Idk what to think. Which I guess is a reason for suspicion itself.
My main suspicions as of now are Takyon (jumpy), yellow (Yet to find reason), and wes (jumpy, hypocrite).
None of these are very good suspicions, but I haven't TheoDutch and bartsol. Likewise Idk what to think. Which I guess is a reason for suspicion itself.
Also, I want it on record that I did not vote for Takyon. An accusation is not a vote.
Here's how you vote for someone:
#Lynch JJJ7
Maybe it should be in all-caps?
Here's how you vote for someone:
#Lynch JJJ7
Maybe it should be in all-caps?
I'm not sure I understand you? Just because masons or any other role isn't a given doesn't mean it's not risky to claim a role that isn't yours.
But its an unfounded claim. Unfounded and therefore invalid.
What reason have we to believe that he's not lying scum?
What reason have we to believe that he's not lying scum?
MajoracanKing
201
Is it likely for him to be a mason and a serial killer?
I'm trying to participate to much. Which is the main reason I look scummy. Or like an idiot in general.
I'm trying to participate to much. Which is the main reason I look scummy. Or like an idiot in general.
MajoracanKing
201
author=Isrieri
But its an unfounded claim. Unfounded and therefore invalid.
What reason have we to believe that he's not lying scum?
None, I tried saying something along those lines, but I guess I said it wrong.
^
There's nothing in the rules that say they are there, correct, however there's nothing to say they aren't, so I don't think mafia would take that chance and draw attention to themselves like that. Also, calling JJJ out in the thread like that is a ballsy move. If they weren't linked in some way behind the scenes then JJJ could have responded very differently. Townies wouldn't just go ahead with a scheme like that - especially one who was suspect - they'd be happy to get the heat off them and point out the person trying to use them.
Thus they must be linked, but how? Miller or Mafia? That's the question. They could be mafia, true, but again, I posted my reasons for believing that Cave, at least, is not and yeah, it's not something others can rely on but I choose to believe him to be town and thus, I choose to believe his is a miller. If I believe he is a miller then I should believe it when he says that JJJ is confirmed town to him.
The other reason I believe is the one I also already pointed out - that mafia aren't likely to claim something like this so early in the game when everyone is still alive, just in case there are other millers in the group. Unless the rules of this game are very, very different to others, mafia wouldn't know the roles available so would they take the chance that in a vanilla game, with a full character roster at hand, there might not be millers? I don't think so.
I mean, if anyone would, it'd be Cave, but again, I'm not getting that Cave-scum feel.
There's nothing in the rules that say they are there, correct, however there's nothing to say they aren't, so I don't think mafia would take that chance and draw attention to themselves like that. Also, calling JJJ out in the thread like that is a ballsy move. If they weren't linked in some way behind the scenes then JJJ could have responded very differently. Townies wouldn't just go ahead with a scheme like that - especially one who was suspect - they'd be happy to get the heat off them and point out the person trying to use them.
Thus they must be linked, but how? Miller or Mafia? That's the question. They could be mafia, true, but again, I posted my reasons for believing that Cave, at least, is not and yeah, it's not something others can rely on but I choose to believe him to be town and thus, I choose to believe his is a miller. If I believe he is a miller then I should believe it when he says that JJJ is confirmed town to him.
The other reason I believe is the one I also already pointed out - that mafia aren't likely to claim something like this so early in the game when everyone is still alive, just in case there are other millers in the group. Unless the rules of this game are very, very different to others, mafia wouldn't know the roles available so would they take the chance that in a vanilla game, with a full character roster at hand, there might not be millers? I don't think so.
I mean, if anyone would, it'd be Cave, but again, I'm not getting that Cave-scum feel.
author=Liberty
There's nothing in the rules that say they are there, correct, however there's nothing to say they aren't
Okay then. In that case we should all hammer JJJ7 and have done with today and get those questions answered. I don't think its so far-fetched that it would be a move mafia!CAVE would pull. It is very odd and I want answers. Answers that I will only get with JJ's death. It may be a rash move, but its a pro-town one.
What good are masons to us now that they've revealed themselves?
Masons aren't really useful to town anyway. Killing JJJ would clear some things up, but uh, I don;t like the idea of targeting someone to prove their innocence.
Also that makes the leftover mason more useless.
Also that makes the leftover mason more useless.
Yeah, I ain't doing that. As I've already said various times through this thread - I will not kill on first day unless I'm sure someone is a mafia member and you're asking me to kill off someone I am pretty sure isn't mafia?
Masons are good because they're town aligned. You want to kill one off to 'be sure' and I can understand that but I'm not being a part of killing off a fellow townie (that I'm pretty sure of due to Cave's say-so).
Frankly, I'm all for non-lynching the day away - we've had a lot of discussion and interaction which will come in hella handy in the days to come. That said, I want to hear more from our silent cousins: TheoDutch and bartsol. Compared to the rest of us, they've not said much at all.
Come on guys, you've got to have some kind of opinion on what is going on.
Masons are good because they're town aligned. You want to kill one off to 'be sure' and I can understand that but I'm not being a part of killing off a fellow townie (that I'm pretty sure of due to Cave's say-so).
Frankly, I'm all for non-lynching the day away - we've had a lot of discussion and interaction which will come in hella handy in the days to come. That said, I want to hear more from our silent cousins: TheoDutch and bartsol. Compared to the rest of us, they've not said much at all.
Come on guys, you've got to have some kind of opinion on what is going on.
author=Isrieri
Nowhere in the rules does it specify that there are matrons. Or lovers. Or serial killers. Just because they aren't mentioned does not make them a given. If those are in the game, normally that would have laid that out in the OP.
um...no.. there are 'open' setups where everything is disclosed beforehand, (stupid) and 'closed' setups where they are not.
Masons aren't really useful to town anyway. Killing JJJ would clear some things up, but uh, I don;t like the idea of targeting someone to prove their innocence.
how is having two confirmed townies alive not inherently useful. perhaps the most useful thing ever.
author=Isrieri
Do you have a better option?
how about building a case on whether or not someone is scum.
Hm. Well, I certainly don't want to no lynch. I'm leaning against killing people who seem townie.
Wes has kind of seemed not so bad lately... I'm honestly thinking a better option may be to lynch one of the least active players. Then we can figure out from there what to do about this debacle?
This doesn't get us closer to the truth about the mason problem though.
Wes has kind of seemed not so bad lately... I'm honestly thinking a better option may be to lynch one of the least active players. Then we can figure out from there what to do about this debacle?
This doesn't get us closer to the truth about the mason problem though.
