CYOR: BREATH OF MAFIA GAME THREAD

Monday?
Try 2 days.

author=Isrieri
There is the question of him revealing that he can't be nightkilled though. Mafia don't exactly have to worry about that. Considering no one but Liberty died last night, he may have easily been town before, and then switched over to mafia after the pizza.

Wait, I don't exactly get what you're saying. Could you explain?

Look, all I'm saying is that I thought Happy was semi-confirmed town. I no longer consider him semi-confirmed.

author=PlatiunumAshes
There is the question of him revealing that he can't be nightkilled though. Mafia don't exactly have to worry about that. Considering no one but Liberty died last night, he may have easily been town before, and then switched over to mafia after the pizza.

Look:

No town was killed last night, right? Who did the mafia target? I protected Happy last night because I thought the mafia would go after him. I assume they must have because no one got killed other than Liberty. Presumably because Happy gave Gourd the power to kill him like he said. This means he has to have been town.

So, if Happy's pizza has made him a miller as he says, why would he bring up the whole "could pizzas turn you mafia" thing? Why bring that up? I would never have considered that possibility until it was mentioned. Is there something going on with that? Is he a miller after all? Is he lying? Is he actually mafia and is just saying he's a miller to cover his alignment shift? Is he actually immune to nightkills? This is the same ambiguity that surrounded Dudesoft and I don't like it. I would never have thought of any of this until he brought up the pizza thing. Why bring it up unless he's not lying and he really is town still?

And you still haven't answered my question.

author=PlatinumAshes
@Isrieri The Mafia team knows about these body doubles too now, so it's inevitable they're going to die together at some point. It's not really 'killing two townies' when their simultaneous death is essentially unavoidable.

Shouldn't you be using your Death-Breaht (I love that phrase) before the Mafia has a chance to night-kill you?

Why do you want her to use her garlic? Who do you want her to kill? Is it really that smart to use it now? Why risk killing 3 town in one night? Have you even voted for anyone today? I still think you're mafia.

#lynch PlatinumAshes

I pretty much just threw the thought of pizza turning someone into mafia in the air on the moment it crossed my mind. I was thinking that as my abilities prevent me from being killed at night, it could potentially make me seem mafia, until I would be checked by some sort of watcher.

Though when the pizza turned me to a miller, it really forced me to reveal more about my abilities because otherwise I'd pretty much get day lynched because my appearance as non-town player.

I think there's still a way to prove that I am town though, because I haven't given all gifts I have to give! I can give more gifts to you at night (even though my role isn't Santa), as long as I won't be roleblocked in some way.

Also, fun fact: Isrieri said that he could save one person, but this person wouldn't be able to use his powers and he said he saved me, so this means I couldn't have really have granted Gourd an ability to kill someone.

Well, here's another piece of information for you: my actions comes first. It can be blocked though, but not by Isrieri's ability. I won't reveal how, unless necessary.


Now on to the lynch matter. My suspicions remain on Platinum Ashes

When ever we have presented ideas that there could possibly be more scums and new scums, he's been sure to enforce those ideas, maybe as a move to divert attention from himself.

author=PlatinumAshes
It's unlikely there are just 2 scum. Three is the average on a game this size, and the only reason there were 2 in my last game, is because I gave town a couple of handicaps as well.

Since town all have power roles, you would have to assume that there are at least 3 people on the scum team.

author=PlatinumAshes

author=Marrend
I'm not so sure that wildwes is mafia. He claims to be a tracker, and nobody's counter-claimed that. Also, there is Liberty's ability

I think it's very likely that Wildwes has a tracking ability like the one he described, because his claims makes perfect sense with Gourd's side of the story. Even so, Cave said everyone in this game would have special abilities, and that includes the Mafia team. So couldn't it be possible that he's a Mafia-alligned tracker?

author=PlatinumAshes

author=Isrieri
Look, all I'm saying is that I thought Happy was semi-confirmed town. I no longer consider him semi-confirmed.

So in the case that Happy has turned Mafia, him mentioning the pizza ability must have been a huge mistake of his. That's pretty strange, but it's a possibility.

author=Happy
Also, fun fact: Isrieri said that he could save one person, but this person wouldn't be able to use his powers and he said he saved me, so this means I couldn't have really have granted Gourd an ability to kill someone.

I had to re-read Isieri's role-claim post to confirm whither or not that's what he said. Perception - 5.

author=Happy
Well, here's another piece of information for you: my actions comes first. It can be blocked though, but not by Isrieri's ability.

In which case, what could have happened was that somebody role-blocked Isieri, but you were protected with your no-nightkill ability? Ugh. I'm probably over-thinking things. I hope I am.

So, Platinum says he wants to lynch seiromem. Presuming his theory of there being 3 mafia is correct, worst-case scenario, it would put us at 6 town vs 2 mafia before night-phase. When Day 3 dawns, assuming that scenario, we would be seeing 4 vs 2 mafia (mafia choose to target Ebeth or myself). While that's not counting whoever Happy passes his trigger to, that's still not a good situation to be in.

Are you absolutely sure you want to place town in this situation?

#lynch PlatinumAshes

author=Marrend
Are you absolutely sure you want to place town in this situation?

#lynch PlatinumAshes

Even if both duos are town duos (which is quite unlikely) that same scenario is still going to occur if Mafia lynch both duos in the following two nights.

author=PlatinumAshes
Even if both duos are town duos (which is quite unlikely) that same scenario is still going to occur if Mafia lynch both duos in the following two nights.

Let me step back a bit. Assuming one of the pairs holds a mafia, and we lynch the pair that harbors mafia today. That places us at 7 vs 1 at the end of today. If we're unlucky, it'll be 5 vs 1 the next day. Which, okay, fair enough, it isn't all that much better than the scenario I painted above.

Though, I'm not sure what you're getting at with the point on the situation with both pairs being town, and mafia killing them in a two-night spread. If one pair is in suspicion, they kill the other pair one night, and would probably aim to kill the other pair during the day. Which could, technically speaking, be what you're doing right now.

author=wildwes
it'ssundayohboyweneedtohurry

Right, I've read through the recent discussion and...
um
I just woke up gimme a sec

I like that idea Unity, using the breath on Platinum to see if he's innocent after all. However, what you said after that ("If he's innocent, lynch me, as I'll be the next most suspicious") really... rubs me the wrong way for some reason. I mean, your willingness to be sacrificed is uh, nice, I guess? Well it isn't really. I mean, assuming you're town, if we lynched you then we'd be down another townie. Of course, mafia wouldn't be so willing to die... see this is why I should wake up properly before I do mafia I'm all confuzzled now

That's true, but I'm trying to think for the end-game. My death would hurt the town, but my life might as well. Near endgame, when choosing who to lynch will mean the difference between winning and losing, the mafia can make me look like a good target just because of my willingness to trust Libs way back at the start. I'm not a good late-game townie to be alive for this reason.

I have not fallen off the face of the planet I've just been both sick and unreasonably busy. I'm going to read through the last couple pages of stuff I missed and formulate some intelligent thoughts.

PA called me subtly involved earlier and though my first instinct was to get defensive, I have to admit it's true. I'll try to be more active in the future.