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GAMERGATE TARGET ZOE QUINN LAUNCHES ANTI-HARASSMENT SUPPORT NETWORK
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Crystalgate
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CloseThis very much sounds like a great idea.
I don't know how effective this will be. However, online harassment is an issue that needs to be addressed and it has to start somewhere. There is no way to know if a particular method will be effective until you try (although you can make qualified guesses in many cases). Even if this initiative doesn't prove to be very effective, it can still provide some insight in what works and what doesn't.
I don't know how effective this will be. However, online harassment is an issue that needs to be addressed and it has to start somewhere. There is no way to know if a particular method will be effective until you try (although you can make qualified guesses in many cases). Even if this initiative doesn't prove to be very effective, it can still provide some insight in what works and what doesn't.
nurvuss
958
Where does it say that people must pay to use Crash Override Network?
Where does it even say that this is a business?
Getting all het up over this is like accusing a suicide hotline or a battered women's shelter of 'making money off of misery'
Where does it even say that this is a business?
Getting all het up over this is like accusing a suicide hotline or a battered women's shelter of 'making money off of misery'
Online harrassment is pretty interesting. Even less information is conveyed to aggressors before they attack than offline. People are usually attacked as a representative of some kind of ideology, based on what they say, instead of as individuals. (This is what happens in offline life too, but there need to be more cues before it happens there, especially as the two parties age.)
We don't know who people are online; we only know what they choose to say.
As the understanding of human "online" psychology progresses, harassment might become a non-issue.
...A book on said "online" psychology might be a good idea right now... so people don't have to worry as much.
We don't know who people are online; we only know what they choose to say.
As the understanding of human "online" psychology progresses, harassment might become a non-issue.
...A book on said "online" psychology might be a good idea right now... so people don't have to worry as much.
Crystalgate
694
author=Zachary_Braun
As the understanding of human "online" psychology progresses, harassment might become a non-issue.
I highly doubt that. Even if such knowledge becomes available, the people who are the most likely to engage in online harassment are the ones who are the least likely to acquire that knowledge.
That said, such knowledge could help in addressing online harassment, but I don't think it will by itself solve the problem.
author=Crystalgateauthor=Zachary_BraunI highly doubt that. Even if such knowledge becomes available, the people who are the most likely to engage in online harassment are the ones who are the least likely to acquire that knowledge.
As the understanding of human "online" psychology progresses, harassment might become a non-issue.
That said, such knowledge could help in addressing online harassment, but I don't think it will by itself solve the problem.
Understanding 'offline' psychology hasn't stopped offline harassment, so I'd say it's not likely to happen. It might help reduce it a bit, or help others keep a look out for it and identify it when they do see it, though.
By that, I meant, because the "aggressive" advance becomes understood in full—motive and all—the perception of malice is eviscerated. Think of it like overexplaining a joke, causing it to lose its humor. At this point, the person who is on the receiving end can change perspective, annulling the perception of malice.
The "malicious" act itself can't be controlled... much like the weather. But this approach can stop malice from being realized by the recipient: Getting wet on a rainy day and realizing that he or she is no wicked witch of the west.
Not only that, it may help to make people more self-aware of their own aggressive impulses.
The "malicious" act itself can't be controlled... much like the weather. But this approach can stop malice from being realized by the recipient: Getting wet on a rainy day and realizing that he or she is no wicked witch of the west.
Not only that, it may help to make people more self-aware of their own aggressive impulses.
Alichains
637
This American Life just released an episode that's relevant to the discussion. You only need to listen to the first part, but it deals with Trolls and their attitude toward woman.It's worth a listen.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
It's easy to slunk off into the shadows when no one is looking at you.
It's easy to find a shadow when everyone is walking over you.
It's easy to hear your voice in a sound-proof room.
You only have to be alone.
GamerGate is just an extension of Anonymous.
It's easy to find a shadow when everyone is walking over you.
It's easy to hear your voice in a sound-proof room.
You only have to be alone.
GamerGate is just an extension of Anonymous.
DarklordKeinor
2478
I think the service Quinn is offering at least appears viable as a business, as well as a useful resource for victims of online harassment. For now, I'll refrain from making positive or negative judgments on the site until something surfaces that makes me posit an opinion.
As for the issue of it being for-profit, so what? If she's exchanging a service that people want for money, no harm has been done. People are free to spend their money how they wish. If a non-profit outlet exists for victims to go to, they may consider that as a potential avenue.
Those businesses still run off of donations; kindness alone doesn't make those facilities pop out of the aether. Would you be willing to donate to Crash Override if it was non-profit?
I think it was the story about Quinn cheating on her boyfriend with her boss to get into a position of prominence that irritated the fuckwits. Has Eron Gjoni been proven a liar on this narrative?
As for the issue of it being for-profit, so what? If she's exchanging a service that people want for money, no harm has been done. People are free to spend their money how they wish. If a non-profit outlet exists for victims to go to, they may consider that as a potential avenue.
author=MaxMcgee
Fuck's sake do Suicide Hotlines charge people? What about women's shelters? Do they fucking charge their clients dude? There's your appropriate model for helping battered and abused people. And it's not a fucking FOR PROFIT model.
Those businesses still run off of donations; kindness alone doesn't make those facilities pop out of the aether. Would you be willing to donate to Crash Override if it was non-profit?
author=Liberty
There are a lot of male shitty people in the world of gaming who are making much bigger bank for more scrupulous doings. I don't really see anyone going after them with the fires of a thousand dying suns like they have been doing to her. It's because she's 'a woman who doesn't know her place' in the eyes of fuckwits.
I think it was the story about Quinn cheating on her boyfriend with her boss to get into a position of prominence that irritated the fuckwits. Has Eron Gjoni been proven a liar on this narrative?
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Does it even matter whether Zoe Quinn cheated on Eron Gjoni? I don't think he is lying, for one he never stated that Quinn was doing it to get into a position of prominence, but that doesn't mean I am pro-GG or that I think this support network is a bad idea. People keep bringing up whether Quinn cheated on Gjoni while that has no relevance at all anymore.
Way too many people get harassed on the internet. Even if this network is not pro bono, it's still a step in the right direction.
Way too many people get harassed on the internet. Even if this network is not pro bono, it's still a step in the right direction.
author=nurvuss
Where does it say that people must pay to use Crash Override Network?
Where does it even say that this is a business?
Getting all het up over this is like accusing a suicide hotline or a battered women's shelter of 'making money off of misery'
QFE
It even says in the article that she and her co-partner(s) are funding it themselves. Obviously they are open to donations (who wouldn't be)
author=kentona
Sites that ask for donations are the devil's work
All we need is a good conspiracy and RMN's gonna be riding the donation train all the way to ka-ching city!
DarklordKeinor
2478
author=Jeroen_Sol
Does it even matter whether Zoe Quinn cheated on Eron Gjoni?
It matters as far as her behavior casts a negative light on her personal character.
author=Jeroen_Sol
Way too many people get harassed on the internet. Even if this network is not pro bono, it's still a step in the right direction.
I agree with you.
author=kentona
Sites that ask for donations are the devil's work
What does that mean for churches? :)
Before someone grills me, I know kentona is being factitious.
El_WaKa
3568
I agree with MaxMGee... And I hate Zoe Quinn, Anita and SJWs
I'm getting banned?
I know he was banned because of the way he "expressed his opinions", but damn...
I'm getting banned?
I know he was banned because of the way he "expressed his opinions", but damn...
In other news his banne expires today (so he could visit today... or tomorrow - I can't remember how the banne code checks dates)
Hi, so I'm happy (not quite the right word but close enough) to be not banned anymore.
I'd actually love to engage with this topic once again because I was think I was severely misunderstood (and that's an understatement), but I won't until I feel reassured that I was banned for...any reason other than having the "wrong" opinion. Because my opinion hasn't changed and I don't want to get banned again for still having it.
For me to feel reassured that I was banned for any reason other than having the "wrong" opinion, I'm going to need to have a private, real time conversation with one or more of the staff members involved in the decision to ban me. The important thing to note is that even given two full weeks to cool down and gain distance from the events I still think that my ban was completely and flagrantly unjustified, unfair, and flat-out wrong. The only thing that has changed really is that I've gotten the good sense to be squicked out that Zoe Quinn of all freaking things is the hill I would choose to die on, so to speak.
If the case can be made to me--in a real time conversation--that I was banned not for having the "wrong" (i.e. "impolitic") opinion but for some actual violation of the site's rules, then I might come to feel differently. Of course, I need to get a chance to change your mind too, because at present the only truly acceptable outcome for me is a public apology for the ban.
But anyway, let's not discuss this here, please. It can't be a forum conversation, it needs to feel more human than that. In my opinion, the time between posts adds too much distance and detachment and makes it too hard for either side to listen and remain civil. I want something that has less of the feeling of charge and counter-charge, volley and counter-volley, and more of the rhythm of an actual human conversation.
Until I can have a private, real time chat about this with the staff members involved, I'm going to try on principle and post a lot less across the boards but we all know I have an RMN addiction (and you bastids made me quit cold turkey!) so who knows how well that will go. There we go, I think I have covered all my bases (or "all my base", so to speak).
I'd actually love to engage with this topic once again because I was think I was severely misunderstood (and that's an understatement), but I won't until I feel reassured that I was banned for...any reason other than having the "wrong" opinion. Because my opinion hasn't changed and I don't want to get banned again for still having it.
For me to feel reassured that I was banned for any reason other than having the "wrong" opinion, I'm going to need to have a private, real time conversation with one or more of the staff members involved in the decision to ban me. The important thing to note is that even given two full weeks to cool down and gain distance from the events I still think that my ban was completely and flagrantly unjustified, unfair, and flat-out wrong. The only thing that has changed really is that I've gotten the good sense to be squicked out that Zoe Quinn of all freaking things is the hill I would choose to die on, so to speak.
If the case can be made to me--in a real time conversation--that I was banned not for having the "wrong" (i.e. "impolitic") opinion but for some actual violation of the site's rules, then I might come to feel differently. Of course, I need to get a chance to change your mind too, because at present the only truly acceptable outcome for me is a public apology for the ban.
But anyway, let's not discuss this here, please. It can't be a forum conversation, it needs to feel more human than that. In my opinion, the time between posts adds too much distance and detachment and makes it too hard for either side to listen and remain civil. I want something that has less of the feeling of charge and counter-charge, volley and counter-volley, and more of the rhythm of an actual human conversation.
Until I can have a private, real time chat about this with the staff members involved, I'm going to try on principle and post a lot less across the boards but we all know I have an RMN addiction (and you bastids made me quit cold turkey!) so who knows how well that will go. There we go, I think I have covered all my bases (or "all my base", so to speak).
I would love to hear your public apology!
btw the banne was for violating the 'Don't Be a Dick' rule, whereby you spewed toxic rhetoric in a very hostile manner.
btw the banne was for violating the 'Don't Be a Dick' rule, whereby you spewed toxic rhetoric in a very hostile manner.
TheNecromancer
3160
In my opinion, the time between posts adds too much distance and detachment and makes it too hard for either side to listen and remain civil.
You were the only one being uncivil.
