THE END OF THE MODDING COMMUNITY

Not unlike how commercial RPGmaker games have put an end to the RPGmaker community. (complete with drama about what scripts are and aren't allowed to be used in commercial projects and people using them anyway)

author=Shinan
Not unlike how commercial RPGmaker games have put an end to the RPGmaker community. (complete with drama about what scripts are and aren't allowed to be used in commercial projects and people using them anyway)

Ha. Commercial RPG Maker games are great. Eff the po po.

author=Ratty524

author=CashmereCat
Ha. Commercial RPG Maker games are great. Eff the po po.

I don't think I've ever purchased a commercial RPG Maker game, mainly because I haven't seen any so far that looks better than some of the freeware games I've played currently and in the past.

Probably because some of the freeware games are commercial game quality. But it's true. Great RPG Maker games usually stay freeware. Remnants of Isolation and Last Word are going commercial, though. Should be mucho fun.

But most of all, I'm just glad our friends are getting paper.

I didn't realize officially recognizing something as being worthwhile was a way to destroy it

Valve and Bethesda split 75% of the earnings from mods sold. That's just as bad as the music industry.

i'm not sure why you did #pcmasterrace #crumbling. if anything, this has strengthed /r/pcmasterrace into active, civil rebellion against valve. steam has been becoming a bloated, soggy mess -- early access shit everywhere, greenlight is an absolute mess, customer support is as slow as (and as good at support as) molasses -- so the master race is using this as a jumping board to start emailing high-ups (not just gabe newell, but everybody involved with steam itself) and to start a boycott of steam.

pcmasterrace, gaming, patientgamers, cynicalbrit, skyrim, even other heavily modded communities like civ... they're all worried and upset about this change. modding is part of what makes pc gaming so incredible! and, with sites like nexusmods and its robust mod manager program, it's easy. you can indentify any sort of issue, remove it cleanly and run your script extenders.

i, and a lot of other people, don't even use steam's skyrim workshop (and if they added one for fallout i wouldn't use it either). adjusting your workshop mods uses a terrible interface, doesn't include script extenders, and is a pain to let load/change every time you start the game. it is very poorly implemented, especially next to the very free and very accessble nexus mod manager.

oh, and it's just adding moar microtransactions !! because wanton microtransactions show how much the gaming industry has evolved and matured right? haha. hah. i'm not paying $30 for a bunch of weapon skins.

so... steam has an inferior product, is getting money from it, and is supporting one of the worst trends in the modern gaming industry. hwa da fuq?

if modders want money, this is not the way to get it.



totalbiscuit's view:

Quite frankly, I like early access stuff. It's fun to see where a game comes from and gets to in the development process. It's a lot like watching game pages and seeing demos come out. Actually, it's exactly like that, only with pre-purchase on the cards. I've yet to be burned from my EAccess purchases and enjoyed each one quite a lot. So... how is that a bad thing again?

author=Liberty
Quite frankly, I like early access stuff. It's fun to see where a game comes from and gets to in the development process. It's a lot like watching game pages and seeing demos come out. Actually, it's exactly like that, only with pre-purchase on the cards. I've yet to be burned from my EAccess purchases and enjoyed each one quite a lot. So... how is that a bad thing again?

I remember when I bought Starbound on early access. I don't think the game has been updated since? Either that or its a Minecraft deal where the company is so fucking awful at being developers that every update is "we added a green block, here's patch 178.56546.12.3.12.4.5.8.345.3 Alpha-EX".

I don't think I've even heard an early access success story. But Starbound was the last thing that I bought or will ever buy on Early Access because I don't want to get suckered out of my money again. I only buy finished games now, since that's the way (IMO) the industry is meant to operate. For a long time now I've been of the opinion that Early Access creates an attitude in the developer that they don't actually need to finish the game, because people are already buying it, and to be honest I'm sick of seeing games like Starbound or Minecraft that are practically designed to never be "finished".

Anyways, on the subject of paid mods, there are some Skyrim mods that I would probably buy (if a better share was going to the modder of course), but obviously this is a shit idea because you're immediately opening the gates for extreme abuse and the propagation of that disease called "microtransactions". Maybe if there was come kind of quality control process you had to go through in order to set up paid content or something, but as I gather people hate Greenlight and it would just amount to a DLC Greenlight in the end.

I don't think this is the "death of modding" though, because I doubt NexusMods would tank as a competitor to something that nobody wants in the first place.

Early Access strikes me as something that's good for particular games, but it seems to be relied upon heavily by a lot of developers today who end up getting in over their heads with it (like Kickstarter was for a while). Trying to manage EA and keeping fans happy during the whole development process sounds like a lot of work. I can't blame 'em, since it's pretty damn hard to make money selling games nowadays.

The modding thing... well, I don't necessarily think it's bad, but modders getting such a small cut is pretty disappointing. At that point, I think I'd rather just give my mods out for free, so more people could get them. I could also see it convincing other devs to hack mod support into their games when it doesn't fit (like we already do with pay-to-play games).

itch.io seems like it has so much potential and is really developer-friendly. Devs can customize everything about their game's store pages, control their own sales and prices, and choose how much cut the site gets. But, right now, it doesn't have the mass of popularity it needs to actually be a go-to place for games like Steam does, and it doesn't have any of the social features like friends lists and chatting and whatnot. Who knows, a fantastic result would be Steam will take a leaf out of their book, but I doubt we'll be that lucky.

author=Pizza

author=Liberty
Quite frankly, I like early access stuff. It's fun to see where a game comes from and gets to in the development process. It's a lot like watching game pages and seeing demos come out. Actually, it's exactly like that, only with pre-purchase on the cards. I've yet to be burned from my EAccess purchases and enjoyed each one quite a lot. So... how is that a bad thing again?

I remember when I bought Starbound on early access. I don't think the game has been updated since? Either that or its a Minecraft deal where the company is so fucking awful at being developers that every update is "we added a green block, here's patch 178.56546.12.3.12.4.5.8.345.3 Alpha-EX".

I don't think I've even heard an early access success story. But Starbound was the last thing that I bought or will ever buy on Early Access because I don't want to get suckered out of my money again. I only buy finished games now, since that's the way (IMO) the industry is meant to operate. For a long time now I've been of the opinion that Early Access creates an attitude in the developer that they don't actually need to finish the game, because people are already buying it, and to be honest I'm sick of seeing games like Starbound or Minecraft that are practically designed to never be "finished".

Anyways, on the subject of paid mods, there are some Skyrim mods that I would probably buy (if a better share was going to the modder of course), but obviously this is a shit idea because you're immediately opening the gates for extreme abuse and the propagation of that disease called "microtransactions". Maybe if there was come kind of quality control process you had to go through in order to set up paid content or something, but as I gather people hate Greenlight and it would just amount to a DLC Greenlight in the end.

I don't think this is the "death of modding" though, because I doubt NexusMods would tank as a competitor to something that nobody wants in the first place.

Odd, I distinctly recall a GIG worth of updates not too long ago. I rather prefer Starbound to it's predecessor, Terraria.

author=Pizza
I don't think this is the "death of modding" though, because I doubt NexusMods would tank as a competitor to something that nobody wants in the first place.

The topic title is actually "the end of the modding community". And although I was joking in my first post about how commercial RM games have destroyed the community. There are... How should I put it. Changes. I mean, there's a clear divide between us amateurs and the people who make commercial games. At least that's what it often feels like with us calling them hacks and whatnots.

So I do think that there is some merit in the fact that charging for mods is possible will change the modding community. I mean it was probably an amateur space filled with just as much drama as us and now there's another source of drama available!