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ARE WE ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE?
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demondestiny
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CloseI have always had a fascination with ufo's and if there is anything else out there. What are everyones thoughts on this. Do you believe that there are others out there? Do you believe in Aliens?
I do believe that there could be other lifeforms out there considering just how big the universe is but i don't believe a lot of the stories about people being "probed" and that sort of stuff. Anyway, let's start a discussion on this. What do you guys have to say about this?
I do believe that there could be other lifeforms out there considering just how big the universe is but i don't believe a lot of the stories about people being "probed" and that sort of stuff. Anyway, let's start a discussion on this. What do you guys have to say about this?
Quiversee
195
I believe in other forms of life in the universe. As far as I see it, the universe is too large for but one species of intelligent life.
Also, I agree about these "probed" stories making little sense... not impossible but not likely all the same.
Also, I agree about these "probed" stories making little sense... not impossible but not likely all the same.
Blitzen
3253
Yes, we are alone. People envisage something remarkable out there in the universe, another sentient life form or something, but I really do think that for the entirety of our existence we will never meet extra-terrestrial civilizations. All the stories and conspiracy theories are mostly Cold War covert ops gone awry. There will be no saving grace, no grand invasion, no "federation of planets". We're alone. I say, get used to it.
demondestiny
889
author=Quiversee link=topic=1945.msg31818#msg31818 date=1221458140
Also, I agree about these "probed" stories making little sense... not impossible but not likely all the same.
Yeah, especially when you find out alcohol was involved.
I don't doubt that there is life out there, but more in the form of bacteria or early-life forms (I can't think of the proper term. Early stuff on the evolutionary chain). Life takes millions of years to evolve to form the brain power needed to form civilization; The odds of two species on different planets reaching the same state of civilization within even a hundred years of each other would be astronomically low. So while life may be out there, we won't be gallantly pissing them off with The Shat at the helm. :(
Shadowtext
120
author=Blitzen link=topic=1945.msg31819#msg31819 date=1221458329So you think that in 14 billion light years of space, and over the course of 14 billion years of time, the only rock in the entire gazillion miles of it that was capable of supporting life, and where that life was able to rub enough brain cells(or whatever, since one assumes alien life would have vastly different organs than us. Let's say squeedlyspooch cells) together to recognize themselves in a mirror, was this unremarkable little planet we're on?
Yes, we are alone. People envisage something remarkable out there in the universe, another sentient life form or something, but I really do think that for the entirety of our existence we will never meet extra-terrestrial civilizations. All the stories and conspiracy theories are mostly Cold War covert ops gone awry. There will be no saving grace, no grand invasion, no "federation of planets". We're alone. I say, get used to it.
For that matter, in addition to those 14 billion light years of space, it looks pretty likely that there's a lot more out there than just our universe. So even on the off chance that we're a unique and beautiful phenomenon in this universe, one would also need to assume that all those other universes were devoid of life, too.
Most scientists seem to think that the chances of life evolving and reaching our level of development is astronomically high, and the Fermi Paradox is infamous in the scientific community because of it.
Demicrusaius
877
At least in parallel universes.
To quote Futurama
Fry: Wow! So there's an infinite number of universes out there, huh?
Farnsworth: No, just the two.
To quote Futurama
Fry: Wow! So there's an infinite number of universes out there, huh?
Farnsworth: No, just the two.
We're probably not alone as far as signs of life... that's almost a certainty now with what we've seen on Mars even. And maybe, billions of light years away from here, there is sentient life. (But it's not like we will ever be able to see the universe the way it is NOW due to distance)
However, human-like life? (klingons) unlikely. /shrug
However, human-like life? (klingons) unlikely. /shrug
Canuck
0
It seems like another issue where we definitely don't know anything about it, and any opinion is more a shot in the dark than an educated guess.
The creation of life really intrigues me. Water is needed, but life can't be created from water. If there's life on another planet, it would come from another source? The same chemical reaction? Something supernatural?
Life's an interesting thing.
I want a bagel.
The creation of life really intrigues me. Water is needed, but life can't be created from water. If there's life on another planet, it would come from another source? The same chemical reaction? Something supernatural?
Life's an interesting thing.
I want a bagel.
Blitzen
3253
The thing about a monumental encounter with sentient aliens, is that it is too fantastic to exist.
I think it is overstressed how big the universe is. The near-infinite scope of it in our imagination leads the optimist to believe that anything could be out there. But, as far as the possibility of us meeting other sentient species in the Verse before our little light of humanity fizzles out is actually really low, even though the possibility of other civilizations existing somewhere out there is high.
The Drake equation makes this painfully clear. Where optimistic calculations count as many as fifty civilizations in this galaxy at this time, and pessimistic ones say that we are lucky to even exist at all. Even if we accept the optimistic projection of fourty-nine other civilizations, the galaxy is a big place. Chances of developing faster-than-light travel and communications during the period where a species is both in the broadcasting and communicative phase of thier given 10,000 years of space-searching are slim.
Not that I am pessimistic, but to be a realist in the situation, in the length of time humanity is around on this chunk of rock, we should never EXPECT to meet an extra-terrestrial civilization OVER THE PHONE, let alone face to face. I think that acting like it is going to happen some time or another is really just a pipe-dream amplified by science fiction. Its simply beyond practicality.
Even though we are alone, we still got each other. :)
I think it is overstressed how big the universe is. The near-infinite scope of it in our imagination leads the optimist to believe that anything could be out there. But, as far as the possibility of us meeting other sentient species in the Verse before our little light of humanity fizzles out is actually really low, even though the possibility of other civilizations existing somewhere out there is high.
The Drake equation makes this painfully clear. Where optimistic calculations count as many as fifty civilizations in this galaxy at this time, and pessimistic ones say that we are lucky to even exist at all. Even if we accept the optimistic projection of fourty-nine other civilizations, the galaxy is a big place. Chances of developing faster-than-light travel and communications during the period where a species is both in the broadcasting and communicative phase of thier given 10,000 years of space-searching are slim.
Not that I am pessimistic, but to be a realist in the situation, in the length of time humanity is around on this chunk of rock, we should never EXPECT to meet an extra-terrestrial civilization OVER THE PHONE, let alone face to face. I think that acting like it is going to happen some time or another is really just a pipe-dream amplified by science fiction. Its simply beyond practicality.
Even though we are alone, we still got each other. :)
I doubt we are "alone" -- but I doubt there's a life form out there that is exactly like us; even if there is, I don't think we'll come into contact with them within our lifetimes.
AznChipmunk
4613
we're alone - deal with it
actually aliens would be fun to mow down with a chain gun
EDIT: so yeah if somehow aliens existed (i don't believe they do) i think we should kill them all
actually aliens would be fun to mow down with a chain gun
EDIT: so yeah if somehow aliens existed (i don't believe they do) i think we should kill them all
Shadowtext
120
The only way I could believe that we were alone in the universe is if I believed that some god put us here and made us special, which is why we're unique amid a sea of more or less identical areas of space. And then I would also have to believe that he was so lazy that he made 99% of the universe empty space and set the other 1% on fire just so we would have twinkly things in our skies. And then I would have to wonder why he didn't just paint the sky on instead, since that'd be an even easier option, especially if he used christmas lights for the twinkly bits.
demondestiny
889
what does everyone think of area 51 where apparently aliens have landed there and they do scientific experiments there. ;)
Blitzen
3253
area 51 = human rights abuses of communist spies at the location forces the continued cover up of experimental aircraft tests
Shadowtext
120
I really wish I could bring myself to believe that aliens had visited Earth and that the government had kept it hushed up and shoved it all inside Area 51....but that would depend on me seeing the government as competent or capable of keeping a secret.
Now if we were talking about the Bavarian Illuminati...
Now if we were talking about the Bavarian Illuminati...
Neok
3602
At 19:06 hr, Valentich contacted Melbourne FSU controller Steve Robey and requested information on other aircraft at his altitude (below 5000 ft, 1524 m); he was told that there was no known traffic at that level. Valentich then reported that he could see a large unknown aircraft which appeared to be illuminated by four bright landing lights. He was unable to confirm its type, but said that it had passed about 1000 ft (305 m) overhead and that it was moving at high speed. Valentich then reported that the aircraft was approaching him from the east and voiced the opinion that the other pilot might be purposefully toying with him.
At 19:09 hrs Robey asked Valentich to confirm his altitude and that he was unable to identify the aircraft. Valentich confirmed his height and began to describe the aircraft, saying that it was "long" but that it was traveling too fast for him to describe it in more detail. Valentich stopped transmitting for about 30 seconds, during which time Robey asked for an estimate of the aircraft's size. Valentich then came back saying that the aircraft was "orbiting" above him and that it had a shiny metal surface and a green light on it. This was followed by 28 seconds of silence before Valentich reported that the aircraft had vanished. There was then a further 25-second break in communications after which Valentich returned and wondered if he was being tailed by a military aircraft.
Robey attempted to gather more information about the unidentified aircraft and its location; Valentich reported that it was now approaching from the southwest. 29 seconds later, at 19:12:09 Valentich reported that he was experiencing engine problems and was going to proceed to King Island. There was brief silence then he came back to say "it is hovering and it's not an aircraft". This was followed by 17 seconds of unidentified noise, described as being "metallic, scraping sounds", then all contact was lost.
A Search and Rescue alert was initiated at 19:12 hrs. Valentich failed to arrive at King Island by 19:33 hrs, and a sea and air search was undertaken by sea, with two RAAF P-3 Orion airplanes conducting an aerial search over a seven-day period. Search efforts continued until October 25, 1978.
A slick of fuel was discovered on the sea roughly near where Valentich had last radioed Robey, but analysis proved that the slick was not aviation fuel. No trace of the aircraft was found. The aircraft was equipped with four life jackets and an emergency radio beacon, and was designed to stay afloat for several minutes.
Transcript of the Valentich-Robey transmissions
19:06:14 DSJ : Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?
FS : Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.
19:06:44 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, and it seems to me like landing lights.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:07:31 DSJ: Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?
DSJ: Er-unknown, due to the speed it's traveling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.
19:08:18 DSJ: Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:08:41 DSJ: (open microphone for two seconds.)
19:08:48 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?
DSJ: My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?
DSJ: Affirmative.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.
19:09:27 DSJ: Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).
19:09:42 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -ER- aircraft?
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.
19:10 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?
19:10:19 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
19:10:46 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:11:00 DSJ: Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.
DSJ: Say again.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
19:11:50 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?
DSJ: My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:12:28 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).
(An unexplained sound abruptly terminated the voice communications.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentich_Disappearance
