CHALLENGING RPGS - WHERE ARE THEY?

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I'd pin Dragon Quest II as even harder than the first. At least in DQ1, you can eventually out-level the opposition (or try your luck and just run straight to the Dragonlord at 17, huhuhuh).

But the entire endgame of DQ2 will render your levels and equipment almost meaningless, with many monsters casting instant death spells, damaging spells that will take off huge chunks of your HP, and all sorts of general nastiness. This was improved somewhat in the remakes, but it's still a hell of a ride.
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I feel bored. How odd.
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Bravely Default gets really hard when you get half way through the game. It just gets so grindy. Alternis and Rusalka are really absurdly hard. Especially when Alternis spams Minus Strike. Oh god, Minus Strike.

SPOILERS OF WHEN THAT IS PROBABLY:
2nd world and beyond.
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