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So far I got most of the greek/Norse/Mesopotamian covered. Still studying Levantine, and Japanese. If RMN is ever looking for monster ideas, and such. I'm the man to ask.
Let me tell you all studying the Deities was incredibly annoying because every local city state had their own version of the same god/goddess, and if it was outside their region that same god/goddess pretty much turns into something else entirely with hints of it's origins, but enough it can be it's own thing for it's own country. For example that a lot of things we know today from most countries came from Mesopotamian myths. I was really surprised to learn how myths overtime transformed from the basic Mesopotamian concept that would later be in Greek/Hebrew/Norse/etc, but Asian mythology does have exceptions since there seems to be some originality.
Monsters on the other hand is pretty straight forward, and I had little trouble figuring that out, but some of them are so obscure that most people wouldn't know about it unless some game/movie out there made it mainstream (example being Krampus recently). Also did you know in greek there was a two-headed snake from one end to the other? A monster I was not really aware of. They did also have a concept of Winged Serpents that guarded specific places which is odd for greek mythology.
There is one other creature I want to mention. This is a odd one from Greek that there was also Gold-digging Ants. I was surprised they had such a idea for a ant monster.
Though according to a blogger:
"Some historians have theorized that this creature didn’t actually originate with the Greeks, but was a borrowed piece of legend from the Mahabharata, one of the two major Sanskrit epics of ancient India." (Though I don't think it should matter too much because even the monsters of myth were borrowed a lot, and had their own twist on it).
It's also good to know that the first original dragons belonging to Mesopotamia were more Lion-like with hints of serpentine qualities. The Dragons we know today came way later.
Also I found out the creatures known as Mermen were also Mesopotamian in origin, and the Mermaids came later in the Levantine Mythology, but as a singular goddess named Atargatis. All mermaid myths pretty much spawned from that one goddess. Mermen on the other hand were represented in a group-like fashion far as I can tell.
Let me tell you all studying the Deities was incredibly annoying because every local city state had their own version of the same god/goddess, and if it was outside their region that same god/goddess pretty much turns into something else entirely with hints of it's origins, but enough it can be it's own thing for it's own country. For example that a lot of things we know today from most countries came from Mesopotamian myths. I was really surprised to learn how myths overtime transformed from the basic Mesopotamian concept that would later be in Greek/Hebrew/Norse/etc, but Asian mythology does have exceptions since there seems to be some originality.
Monsters on the other hand is pretty straight forward, and I had little trouble figuring that out, but some of them are so obscure that most people wouldn't know about it unless some game/movie out there made it mainstream (example being Krampus recently). Also did you know in greek there was a two-headed snake from one end to the other? A monster I was not really aware of. They did also have a concept of Winged Serpents that guarded specific places which is odd for greek mythology.
There is one other creature I want to mention. This is a odd one from Greek that there was also Gold-digging Ants. I was surprised they had such a idea for a ant monster.
Though according to a blogger:
"Some historians have theorized that this creature didn’t actually originate with the Greeks, but was a borrowed piece of legend from the Mahabharata, one of the two major Sanskrit epics of ancient India." (Though I don't think it should matter too much because even the monsters of myth were borrowed a lot, and had their own twist on it).
It's also good to know that the first original dragons belonging to Mesopotamia were more Lion-like with hints of serpentine qualities. The Dragons we know today came way later.
Also I found out the creatures known as Mermen were also Mesopotamian in origin, and the Mermaids came later in the Levantine Mythology, but as a singular goddess named Atargatis. All mermaid myths pretty much spawned from that one goddess. Mermen on the other hand were represented in a group-like fashion far as I can tell.
Studying Norse creatures was pretty fun. It was easy, and straight to find most of them. I just had not studied Germanic yet which shares with the Norse. It actually made me appreciate Skyrim more because I had no idea just how much they borrowed from Norse/Germanic until I saw the names/etc. I was like "Oh I know that name"!
It was very interesting that Norse didn't appear to have any demon monsters maybe except Garm the Hellhound, and deities associated with the underworld.
The only thing about norse that drove me insane is the concept of Black, and Dark Elves. I came up with the conclusion they were basically the same race of beings, but with a different name.
It was very interesting that Norse didn't appear to have any demon monsters maybe except Garm the Hellhound, and deities associated with the underworld.
The only thing about norse that drove me insane is the concept of Black, and Dark Elves. I came up with the conclusion they were basically the same race of beings, but with a different name.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
The best mythological monsters are from Medieval bestiaries because they're the result of people trying to describe foreign animals to people back home, who have no idea WTF and then you get really weird shit.
Like here are some giraffes:
1 2 3
Also anything by Hieronymous Bosch. Dude has awesome monsters.
Like here are some giraffes:
1 2 3
Also anything by Hieronymous Bosch. Dude has awesome monsters.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Wow. That second giraffe looks more like a camel than a giraffe. And the third one is half panther?
I guess travellers who saw them only drew these pictures when they came back home, not on scene.
I guess travellers who saw them only drew these pictures when they came back home, not on scene.
Ah, while Norse mytholodgy certainly is part of nordic mythology, I was more thinking of after Christianity came. I've wanted to make a game for a long time that takes place in the medieval north.


Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
We should make an RMN mythology, where everyone can upload one monster, with a full log of its inception and changes throughout history, and optionally sketches of different civilizations depicting the monster. All made up, of course.
Then afterwards, people are free to use said monsters in games.
Something like that probably has been done before, though.
Then afterwards, people are free to use said monsters in games.
Something like that probably has been done before, though.
Citing the origin of mermaids and mermen as Mesopotamia confused me for a moment. Then I remembered that Assyria was in the northern portion of Mesopotamia.
Study Ancient Egyptian next. You'll find that it had a tremendous influence on Ancient Greek beliefs and that indeed the majority European and Middle Eastern mythology can be traced back to it. Even the Christian god is a variation on Ra (Let's see if you can spot the strikingly similar version of Ra that was worshiped when Akhenaten and Nefertiti ruled). Also, Ancient Indian mythology also played stronger role in influencing Western mythology than most people think.
That third one (17th century) looks like it may have been a deliberate fantasy drawing.
Study Ancient Egyptian next. You'll find that it had a tremendous influence on Ancient Greek beliefs and that indeed the majority European and Middle Eastern mythology can be traced back to it. Even the Christian god is a variation on Ra (Let's see if you can spot the strikingly similar version of Ra that was worshiped when Akhenaten and Nefertiti ruled). Also, Ancient Indian mythology also played stronger role in influencing Western mythology than most people think.
Jeroen_Sol
Wow. That second giraffe looks more like a camel than a giraffe. And the third one is half panther?
I guess travellers who saw them only drew these pictures when they came back home, not on scene.
That third one (17th century) looks like it may have been a deliberate fantasy drawing.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
author=Jeroen_Sol
We should make an RMN mythology, where everyone can upload one monster, with a full log of its inception and changes throughout history, and optionally sketches of different civilizations depicting the monster. All made up, of course.
Then afterwards, people are free to use said monsters in games.
Something like that probably has been done before, though.
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author=Jeroen_Sol
We should make an RMN mythology, where everyone can upload one monster, with a full log of its inception and changes throughout history, and optionally sketches of different civilizations depicting the monster. All made up, of course.
Then afterwards, people are free to use said monsters in games.
Something like that probably has been done before, though.
Tried that in a way, with the RMNverse. It's always funtimes collaborating with big groups.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
For serious I feel like a monster design event with battlers and sprites would be p. rad. Even if it would be a little crazy quilt in style. We should set that up sometime after everyone's recovered from the holidays!
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
I love mythology. It's like storytime for the rest of the world.
I touched on Egyptian little bit when studying Levantine. It seems Egyptian and Levantine shared a couple of deities. Mesopotamian shared one deity with the Egyptians too. I'm sure there is probably more, but it has not made it to mainstream yet or lost to time unfortunately.
There was a recent study I was touching on where they found more deities in Mesopotamia. It is practically new discovery from what I can tell. Then I looked elsewhere and found another google book of another study of recent discoveries from other cultures. Surprised to learn there is still stuff coming out of Japan as one place. I should have saved the source, oh well.
There was a recent study I was touching on where they found more deities in Mesopotamia. It is practically new discovery from what I can tell. Then I looked elsewhere and found another google book of another study of recent discoveries from other cultures. Surprised to learn there is still stuff coming out of Japan as one place. I should have saved the source, oh well.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
What do you mean by "still stuff coming out of"?
There is still more deities/monsters they are finding coming out of specific countries. I assume it is from studies they are just now getting out to the rest of the world for other languages.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
Well, that, and there's always new mythology happening!
author=Kaliesto
I touched on Egyptian little bit when studying Levantine. It seems Egyptian and Levantine shared a couple of deities. Mesopotamian shared one deity with the Egyptians too. I'm sure there is probably more, but it has not made it to mainstream yet or lost to time unfortunately.
Read Herodotus. He rarely uses the Egyptian name for any Egyptian god, insisting that they are the same gods, and from time to time even acknowledges that Greek religion lifted many of their gods and heroes directly from the Egyptians, even going as far as to admit that Hercules' name comes from the Egyptian language. It was Herodotus' theory that Greek religion was derived from Ancient Egyptian.
There are a few differences though. One noteworthy exception is that while Ouranos and Gaia, the Sky/Earth couple from Greek mythology seems to have some important differences from Egyptian's Geb and Nut, not the least of which their genders are reversed, they seem to have more in common with Sumerian's An and Ki. Upon deeper study, the Sumerian influence on Egyptian religion becomes apparent, especially since Egypt tended to have a very adaptive religion, meaning they were perfectly happy to introduce new gods from other pantheons into their religion.
Nevertheless, the parallels Herodotus notes exist, though the distinctions become heavily blurred during the Hellenist age.
Ki was a head case for me. Apparently the Sumerian Mother goddess Ninhursag took on so many names that Ki may have been one of them or a distinct goddess herself, but I have theory it was more of a title for individual mother goddesses than actually just one mother goddess with many names in that pantheon. I went half-crazy studying the Sumerian Mother goddess. x_X
I came up with that idea by looking at Levantine deities, and how they have "baal" in their names since "baal" is really a title for a deity. Though there seems to be something that suggests Baal was a deity itself that evolved into a title for other deities. Though I'm not really sure on that.
I came up with that idea by looking at Levantine deities, and how they have "baal" in their names since "baal" is really a title for a deity. Though there seems to be something that suggests Baal was a deity itself that evolved into a title for other deities. Though I'm not really sure on that.
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