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Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
01/29/2016 08:39 PM
When people don't tell you what the stats are for weapons and armor that you're going to be buying, it drives me insane. A weapon could have 2 STR but 15 AGL and still show up as an upgrade in the menu to your 16 STR solely because of the base numbers. What do you do when you buy an item then realize you don't need it? Why, sell it back to the same merchant for half price, of course. GG micro-management.



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Xenomic
1752
01/29/2016 09:41 PM
Yeah, that'd work really well. That's not a CMS or anything either, is it? Because I know those symbols aren't part of 2k3's default special symbols, yet seems like you're using the default menu/shop system?
Feldschlacht IV
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1486
01/29/2016 10:32 PM
When considering inventory and item management, it's always kinda of off putting when upgrading equipment is only available through shops, it feels mechanical and repetitive knowing that a large chunk of my effectiveness is distinctly linked to how much money I have after each dungeon. It falls into a pretty wack pattern.

Good Final Fantasy titles fall outside this are FFVI and FFIX, where finding items in dungeons and getting them through alternate means gives players a good choice between spending their gold on something shiny and new or going with what they found in a cave, both viable choices. I very much dislike games where store bought things are expensive as fuck and always inferior to things found elsewhere. I mean, why????

Alternatively, the SaGa games have a very interesting take on shops; most things are very expensive, but the player isn't meant to get most of their things from shops; you're supposed to explore, with shop bought equipment being a powerful, occasional reward for getting a lot of loot.
Xenomic
1752
01/29/2016 10:52 PM
Yeah, I looked through my treasure list recently and noticed that my dungeons really actually don't give out new weapons like...very often at all. Armor is a bit more prevalent, but even that is kinda rare. Most of the equipment in my game seems to come either from buying it from the shop, or from stealing/winning it from bosses (I can't recall off the top of my head if some are gotten through regular enemies at all). I do have a crafting system that DOES allow the player to try and craft later equipment early on, provided they have the materials and money for it, but that thing needs revamped badly.

I feel that the expensive bit is what I fell under when I was revamping my shops heh. It's really hard to strike a balance with prices, and I even tried to follow FFVII's price logics (though sometimes the prices in that game are weird anyways...).

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Weapons:
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1: Nothing (Start of game)

2: Adventia (After Marisa in Forest of Magic)

3: Adventia, Mystic Sage, Gojou, Poison Knuckles, Feu, Blindside, Silver Knife, Kingslayer (After Hakurei Shrine event with Marisa/Alice)

4: Adventia, Mystic Sage, Miasma Sweep, Fujin, Gojou, Poison Knuckles, Feu, Blindside, Silver Knife, Kingslayer, Tyrfing, Techno Glove, Wand of Miracles, Toad Ring (Youkai Mountain)

5: Adventia, Mystic Sage, Miasma Sweep, Fujin, Gojou, Poison Knuckles, Feu, Blindside, Kingslayer, Tyrfing, Techno Glove, Wand of Miracles, Toad Ring (Road of Reconsideration Main Shop)

6: Ailment Talisman, Noble Gohei, Starlight Broom, Baindigar, Basho, Fire Knuckle, Hakuraimononofu, Glace, Foudre, Crystallizer, Silencer, Dragon Tooth Dagger, Angel Kiss, Precieuse, Durandal, Kaiser Gauntlet, Kappa Gauntlet, Petalchaser, Silkmoon, Good Girl Stick, Star Rod, Full Moon, Morning Sun (Road of Reconsideration - Tripled Prices)

7: Adventia, Mystic Sage, Ailment Talisman, Miasma Sweep, Starlight Broom, Fujin, Kamaitachi, Gojou, Poison Knuckles, Fire Knuckle, Feu, Eau, Blindside, Crystallizer, Silver Knife, Kingslayer, Dragon Tooth Dagger, Bastard Sword, Tyrfing, Precieuse, Techno Glove, Kaiser Gauntlet, Petalchaser, Charon, Wand of Miracles, Good Girl Stick, Toad Ring, Full Moon (Youkai Mountain - After Remains of Hell first trip)

8: Miasma Sweep, Black Cat, Starlight Broom, Nimbus 3000, Fujin, Kamaitachi, Baindigar, Gojou, Poison Knuckles, Fire Knuckle, Hakuraimononofu, Feu, Eau, Glace, Blindside, Crystallizer, Silencer, Silver Knife, Kingslayer, Dragon Tooth Dagger, Angel Kiss, Bastard Sword, Tyrfing, Precieuse, Durandal, Techno Glove, Kaiser Gauntlet, Kappa Gauntlet, Petalchaser, Silkmoon, Charon, Revelation, Burning Finger, Wand of Miracles, Good Girl Stick, Star Rod, Toad Ring, Full Moon, Morning Sun, Waffer Sword, Buretsu (Youkai Mountain - After Adrammalech)

9: Adventia, Mystic Sage, Ailment Talisman, Miasma Sweep, Black Cat, Starlight Broom, Nimbus 3000, Kohaku's Broom, Fujin, Kamaitachi, Baindigar, Basho, Gojou, Poison Knuckles, Fire Knuckle, Hakuraimononofu, Kenkoudaiichi, Feu, Eau, Glace, Foudre, Blindside, Crystallizer, Silencer, Bio Blaster, Silver Knife, Kingslayer, Dragon Tooth Dagger, Angel Kiss, Galefore, Bastard Sword, Tyrfing, Precieuse, Durandal, Galatine, Techno Glove, Kaiser Gauntlet, Kappa Gauntlet, Warlock Gauntlet, Petalchaser, Silkmoon, Dragoncrest, Charon, Revelation, Undertanker, Griffin Claw, Typhoon Claw, Burning Finger, Exiled Fangs, Mysidian Scroll, SOS Scroll, Diamond Scroll Wand of Miracles, Good Girl Stick, Star Rod, Magical Girl's Stick, Toad Ring, Full Moon, Morning Sun, Solar Eclipse, Waffer Sword, Lucky Popsicle Stick, Buretsu, Masakado, Cannondorf (Pandemonium)


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PRICES
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Adventia: 1000
Mystic Sage: 2800
Ailment Talisman: 5000
Noble Gohei: 12000


Miasma Sweep: 5000
Black Cat: 4150
Starlight Broom: 8900
Nimbus 3000: 7750
Kohaku's Broom: 14000


Fujin: 2400
Kamaitachi: 3800
Baindigar: 4000
Basho: 7000


Gojou: 1200
Poison Knuckles: 4225
Fire Knuckle: 7215
Hakuraimononofu: 9400
Kenkoudaiichi: 11500


Feu: 3400
Eau: 5500
Glace: 8750
Foudre: 10480


Blindside: 1500
Crystallizer: 4315
Silencer: 5800
Bio Blaster: 7300


Silver Knife: 500
Kingslayer: 1800
Dragon Tooth Dagger: 3450
Angel Kiss: 5000
Galeforce: 9855


Bastard Sword: 1400
Tyrfing: 2800
Precieuse: 5500
Durandal: 7240
Galatine: 9850


Techno Glove: 2200
Kaiser Gauntlet: 5140
Kappa Gauntlet: 6550
Warlock Gauntlet: 10000


Petalchaser: 3200
Silkmoon: 4510
Dragoncrest: 5600


Charon: 6000
Revelation: 16600
Undertanker: 20055


Griffin Claw: 16000
Typhoon Claw: 25000


Burning Finger: 8900
Exiled Fangs: 11000


Mysidian Scroll: 14500
SOS Scroll: 22000
Diamond Scroll: 22000


Wand of Miracles: 2800
Good Girl Stick: 5400
Star Rod: 7777
Magical Girl's Stick: 11110


Toad Ring: 5000
Full Moon: 7155
Morning Sun: 8450
Solar Eclipse: 15000


Waffer Sword: 5400
Lucky Popsicle Stick: 8150


Buretsu: 1200
Masakado: 2680


Cannondorf: 15000



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Armor:
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1: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Barrier (Start of game)

2: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Barrier, Magician's Barrier (After Marisa in Forest of Magic)

3: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Scarlet Armlet, Heavy Robe, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Bandana, Hairband, Red Hat, Barrier, Magician's Barrier, Flame Barrier (After Hakurei Shrine event with Marisa/Alice)

4: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Scarlet Armlet, Heavy Robe, Atlas, Tao Robe, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Bandana, Hairband, Red Hat, Mage's Hat, Barrier, Magician's Barrier, Healing Barrier, Ether Barrier (Youkai Mountain)

5: Netherworld Dress, Red Hat, Mage's Hat (Hakugyokurou)

6: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Scarlet Armlet, Heavy Robe, Atlas, Tao Robe, Netherworld Dress, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Bandana, Hairband, Red Hat, Mage's Hat, Barrier, Magician's Barrier, Healing Barrier, Ether Barrier, Flame Barrier (Road of Reconsideration Main Shop)

7: Radiant Dress, Mist Robe, Angel Robe, Phantom Bracer, Czar Robe, Nova Dress, Celestial Dress, Boundary Garb, Protection Ribbon, Oath Veil, Circlet, Seraphic Garland, Plasma Barrier, Soul Barrier, Hakurei Barrier, Diamond Shield, Dragon Shield, Crystal Shield (Road of Reconsideration. x5 Prices)

8: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Scarlet Armlet, Heavy Robe, Atlas, Tao Robe, Netherworld Dress, Raven Armor, Raven Cloak, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Bandana, Hairband, Red Hat, Mage's Hat, Aerial Garland, Barrier, Magician's Barrier, Healing Barrier, Ether Barrier, Flame Barrier, Gaia Barrier (Youkai Mountain - After Remains of Hell first trip)

9: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Scarlet Armlet, Heavy Robe, Atlas, Tao Robe, Netherworld Dress, Raven Armor, Raven Cloak, Soul Armor, Soul Cape, Burglar Garb, Baka Dress, Rainbow Dress, Elemental Robe, Bunny Outfit, French Maid Outfit, Avoidance, Aqua Jacket, Spirit's Vest, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Bandana, Hairband, Red Hat, Mage's Hat, Aerial Garland, Dark Hat, Barrier, Magician's Barrier, Healing Barrier, Ether Barrier, Flame Barrier, Gaia Barrier, Wind Barrier (Youkai Mountain - After Adrammalech)

10: Leather Shirt, Magician Cloak, Hakurei Armlet, Magician Robe, Scarlet Armlet, Heavy Robe, Atlas, Tao Robe, Netherworld Dress, Raven Armor, Raven Cloak, Soul Armor, Soul Cape, Radiant Dress, Mist Robe, Hair Ribbon, Magician Hat, Barette, Sight Cap, Bandana, Hairband, Red Hat, Mage's Hat, Aerial Garland, Dark Hat, Flash Hat, Barrier, Magician's Barrier, Healing Barrier, Ether Barrier, Flame Barrier, Gaia Barrier, Wind Barrier, Water Barrier (Pandemonium)



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PRICES
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That's how it looks in my game so far, and it FEELS like it's about right, but at the same time, I'm not sure. The latest stuff (Pandemonium) is about 50-60% through the game so it's hard to really gauge the prices there.

Speaking of equipment, Chrono Trigger kinda does that too where you can get a lot of really good stuff from other methods (usually stealing with Ayla), so the shops kinda lose their purpose with equipment unless you really, really need that upgrade for someone or you don't know that something is coming up that you can steal/find. I'm trying to make it so that store-bought equipment is at least SOMEWHAT viable (for instance, the Nimbus 3000 weapon only gives +20 Attack, but gives like +30 Speed which is a looot of speed from one piece of equipment. In addition, I'm thinking of attaching other special effects to equipment like abilities, and some upgrade passives/commands too. I thought of doing something else with them, but I'm out of ideas of what atm heh).
Feldschlacht IV
Sit down. Be humble.
1486
01/29/2016 10:58 PM
Store bought weapons shouldn't be useless either, otherwise the player just straight up isn't going to bother! Honestly Liberty had really good advice at the beginning of the topic.

author=Liberty
For example, you start with an Iron Sword (base 10 damage), then in the first dungeon your find an Iron Sword +1 (14 damage, +Slow) and in the next town you can buy the Wrought Iron Sword (16 damage). Now this gives your player a choice - they could stick with the Iron Sword +1 or choose the Wrought Iron Sword - both have their pros and cons, and it depends on how the player wants the character to play as to whether they pick one or the other. Do they brute force it or do they choose to make use of the Slow status effect for a while longer?

This way weapons don't go through a constant phase of upgrading, and yet the option is still there for them to do so. Depending on money amounts, maybe they think the extra two damage for the Wrought Iron Sword just isn't work the cost and they hold out for the next upgrade. Maybe they didn't find the Iron Sword +1 and are jumping straight from 10 damage to 16 damage (which to them feels like a good upgrade).

Consider that kind of thing.


^ Best idea.

If you're a good designer, money always has a use for the player, even at the very end of the game, where perhaps they have the best inventory, but they still need to purchase other goods and services.
Xenomic
1752
01/29/2016 11:17 PM
Yeah, I agree that's a good idea if the developer is able to pull it off using RPG Maker's formulas (2k3's is really crappy from what I know. IIRC they did the damage formulas and whatnot better in later versions? I wouldn't know but...). Even doing it vice-versa where storebought items have the special effects and dungeon items may not works too I think as well.
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