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Shadowtext
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Maybe I'm thinking of a different dungeon then. The one with the gardens and cobblestones. It's been years since I've played, but I think I remember it looking nice...
It's just one of those games I always wanted to like, really tried to like (it was trying so hard!) and just couldn't. And yes, I did think the battles were tedious, combos or not. And the (early, again I didn't get very far) Gears battles were incredibly super tedious. I might have felt differently if I'd played it when it came out, but I didn't play it until 5+ years later, so I guess the intervening games just raised my standards or whatever.
I got to...the part where you're like...in a cave or something? Wait, no, past that part, and you're like in an airship or something and there's a lot of talking.
I don't actually know how far or not far that is. It felt like about 10 hours in which I consider kind of a lot since that's how long most games are.
I don't actually know how far or not far that is. It felt like about 10 hours in which I consider kind of a lot since that's how long most games are.
Shadowtext
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author=Max McGee link=topic=2174.msg36811#msg36811 date=1223591569You're not much of an RPG player, I take it?
I don't actually know how far or not far that is. It felt like about 10 hours in which I consider kind of a lot since that's how long most games are.
Eh, I am. I really am. I don't BEAT many RPGs is the problem. At least not many jRPGs. I have played probably tens of thousands of hours of Oblivion and Morrowind.
Actually, I think the only commercial jRPGs I've beaten are FFVII, Vagrant Story, and FF Tactics. All of which were, interestingly enough, contemporaries of Xenogears, made by the same company. Also Parasite Eve, which is also a peer to those games.
Actually, I think the only commercial jRPGs I've beaten are FFVII, Vagrant Story, and FF Tactics. All of which were, interestingly enough, contemporaries of Xenogears, made by the same company. Also Parasite Eve, which is also a peer to those games.
S. F. LaValle
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I'm a huge fan of Xenogears, and I agree with most of what's said. The gameplay isn't spectacular, and Disc 2 was seriously lacking it. However, that isn't what draws me to the game; it's the crazy and complex story and its multiple layers that I love. I've never devoted as much thought and discussion into any story as much as I have this game.
I also was one who was hoping Xenosaga would be how Tetsuya Takahashi originally envisioned the whole story to be. Disappointing. I got a lot of information from Perfect Works translations. I used to own the book as well; I regret letting it go, but it fetched a pretty good amount of money.
I don't mind the criticism about shallow religious themes. They don't bother me and I don't think the story is any better or worse for them. It may not be paced well, either, but the depth of the story just has this amazing appeal that makes it good. Someone said above that a complex story doesn't make a good story necessarily. That's true, but some people might enjoy a story simply because it's complex; they can decide if the story is good or not based off of whether or not they enjoy it. That's how I feel about this game.
I also was one who was hoping Xenosaga would be how Tetsuya Takahashi originally envisioned the whole story to be. Disappointing. I got a lot of information from Perfect Works translations. I used to own the book as well; I regret letting it go, but it fetched a pretty good amount of money.
I don't mind the criticism about shallow religious themes. They don't bother me and I don't think the story is any better or worse for them. It may not be paced well, either, but the depth of the story just has this amazing appeal that makes it good. Someone said above that a complex story doesn't make a good story necessarily. That's true, but some people might enjoy a story simply because it's complex; they can decide if the story is good or not based off of whether or not they enjoy it. That's how I feel about this game.
Canuck
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I played it when it came out and hated it. The story was pretentious and the game play was boring.
Shadowtext
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author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=2174.msg36938#msg36938 date=1223659498When used correctly, it means it comes off like the writer thinks he's better than you. When used incorrectly, it means it had references to Kabbalah, a bad translation, and a noisy fanbase who thinks it's better than it is.
I'm hearing that term used a lot nowadays. What does it mean when a story is pretentious?
Generally I don't consider it fair to consider anything pretentious that you can enjoy without wearing a beret and sitting in a coffee shop or college lounge while experiencing.
Canuck
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I'm using it to mean that the story presents itself to be deep when it is a bunch of half-baked cliches thrown together, which I'm pretty sure is using it correctly.
A pretentious poster would be one who pretends to know lots about a subject that they know little to nothing about.
A pretentious poster would be one who pretends to know lots about a subject that they know little to nothing about.
