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[POLL] DO YOU PREFER IRC, SLACK OR DISCORD?
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Do you prefer IRC, Slack or Discord? - Results
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Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
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author=WIP
Coming up on the next episode of "Why is My Community Fractured?",
Why is having different offsite hangout areas bad, though? A site that gets large enough will automatically form different subgroups no matter what, and there's already plenty on the main site to encourage cross-pollination. If people want to shoot the shit in whichever area they like, seems fine to me.
author=SoozChoice paralysis, friction for new users, elitist clique forming, maintenance costs, fairness between areas.
Why is having different offsite hangout areas bad, though? A site that gets large enough will automatically form different subgroups no matter what, and there's already plenty on the main site to encourage cross-pollination. If people want to shoot the shit in whichever area they like, seems fine to me.
That image above is bad. It's supposed to be one community interacting; not a bunch of disconnected pockets.
Those aren't "subgroups". And if the site is getting into the business of officially endorsing subgroups (say like how Deviantart does it), it should build tools to help. If not, those pockets are as good as non-existent.
To get all the community interaction going on in that hypothetical image, I would have to run 10 different programs to do so.
As pointed out, look at the forums: that's the same thing regardless of program (so long as its a browser obviously) or device.
Subgroups can be made in most chat programs anyway by DMing or just making rooms to talk in (we've got a fair few focussed rooms in discord where people talk on different subjects) however everyone is in one place and they can join chat in one room or not as they choose, at the same time, in the same program, with everyone else.
You don't really need that many chat interfaces when one will cover most bases.
Discord is pretty damn good though. It has a mobile app, it allows normal chat but also has voice chat rooms, it keeps an archive better than slack does, doesn't require you to constantly delete image files from the history but still allows uploading by drag-n-drop or links, allows private chatting, has decent moderation control (something slack lacked), can add or remove channel bots/additions easily, has a dark skin mode (woo!), let's you choose a few ways for it to display, allows for synchronisation with streaming (if that's your thing) and is pretty damn versatile all up.
All whilst being free. It's also lighter than Slack is, footprint-wise.
You don't really need that many chat interfaces when one will cover most bases.
Discord is pretty damn good though. It has a mobile app, it allows normal chat but also has voice chat rooms, it keeps an archive better than slack does, doesn't require you to constantly delete image files from the history but still allows uploading by drag-n-drop or links, allows private chatting, has decent moderation control (something slack lacked), can add or remove channel bots/additions easily, has a dark skin mode (woo!), let's you choose a few ways for it to display, allows for synchronisation with streaming (if that's your thing) and is pretty damn versatile all up.
All whilst being free. It's also lighter than Slack is, footprint-wise.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
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author=WIP
That image above is bad. It's supposed to be one community interacting; not a bunch of disconnected pockets.
It IS one community interacting: the forum is the community interaction.
author=Soozauthor=WIPIt IS one community interacting: the forum is the community interaction.
That image above is bad. It's supposed to be one community interacting; not a bunch of disconnected pockets.
So all those other things aren't the community and we can just remove the links to them?
The point is that if a link shows up on the site, it's endorsed/official/blessed/etc. With all those options, you're just fragmenting people. The community is more than the forums.
author=Yellow Magicauthor=HexatonaWell, soon you'll be seeing links to Discord on RMN. So there's that...
So is somethin' happening with this or are we voting for shiggles here.
You were supposed to bring balance to the force, not destroy it! We need to just piiick ooooonnnnee....
author=Hexatona
You were supposed to bring balance to the force, not destroy it! We need to just piiick ooooonnnnee....
....Stay tuned....
author=Cap_H
RMN should have sticked with IRC.
While I love IRC, the state of IRC is kind of a shit show. The largest networks have actively refused to modernize. Some people are trying to help, but they get caught bickering about stupid things instead.
Really though, the state of internet chat is not good.
author=WIPI'm guessing you've heard of the work going on around IRCv3? It sounds like pretty interesting stuff, although I have no idea how organised the working group is.author=Cap_HWhile I love IRC, the state of IRC is kind of a shit show. The largest networks have actively refused to modernize. Some people are trying to help, but they get caught bickering about stupid things instead.
RMN should have sticked with IRC.
Really though, the state of internet chat is not good.
author=Yellow Magic
I'm guessing you've heard of the work going on around IRCv3? It sounds like pretty interesting stuff, although I have no idea how organised the working group is.
Yup, I follow their Github. I wanted to get a bead on its status for a possible gamedev web-based realtime chat.
Spoiler alert: it's not going well. The big IRC networks refuse to participate, their daemons are barely updated versions of 80s code, and its a political trash fire. I'm kind of thinking at this point IRC might as well just be trashed and something new started. Something akin to Mastodon.
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I pretty much agree with WIP re:splintering so I won't retread that, but I think a solution going forward:
- Close slack with a message to suck it up and install/browse-to discord instead
- Stop linking slack and irc in our Community links and in the footer
- Link discord instead, so we don't have to link that topic that's all "COME VOICE CHAT WITH US" when no one voice chats (as it should be)
- Hook up IRC as a channel in discord so there's some visibility form the rest of the universe to the greybeards still lurking there
- And next time someone makes a topic about the RMN Line group, lock the thread and link to this one
- Close slack with a message to suck it up and install/browse-to discord instead
- Stop linking slack and irc in our Community links and in the footer
- Link discord instead, so we don't have to link that topic that's all "COME VOICE CHAT WITH US" when no one voice chats (as it should be)
- Hook up IRC as a channel in discord so there's some visibility form the rest of the universe to the greybeards still lurking there
- And next time someone makes a topic about the RMN Line group, lock the thread and link to this one
I'm all for that. Last point change though: Unless something better comes along in time (which I'm sure will as technology keeps progressing). That's what the hang up with IRC is about - failure to update when updating was needed.
But hey, we're a bit ahead of you already~ Check out dat Community and footer. ;p
But hey, we're a bit ahead of you already~ Check out dat Community and footer. ;p
Woohoo! Awesome. Although maybe it can say "Discord chat" or something for those who don't know wtf a Discord is. (I know, we are few but we are behind the curve ball.)
