SO...ARE YOU SERIOUS?

author=ChaosProductions link=topic=2301.msg39833#msg39833 date=1224911415
Anyone with talent for game creation gets a paying job, as soon as I'm capable of employing people. Which won't be for a few years anyway. HS and perhaps college first.

well uh

goodluckhavefun

author=Karsuman link=topic=2301.msg39929#msg39929 date=1224971172
Man, memories of Fading Shadows are flooding back!

/dies

The Shadows still haven't Faded yet, it seems:
http://rpgtown.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=rmgeneral&action=print&thread=1399
;)

I take my projects seriously in the sense that I put a lot of care and effort into them when I'm motived to work on something. I don't think notions of the games being freeware, indie experiments is really any excuse for unprofessionalism or lackluster design. It's definitely a tiresome hobby for that very reason, though.

I won't deny that I've aimed for public success in the ways that I've gone about designing (and revising) segments of my game(s), but hard as it is to believe, I've always put my own aspirations at the top of the priority list, and would hope to keep it that way. (That's probably neither a good or bad thing, but it's just the way I've handled it.)

author=Kuroi link=topic=2301.msg44980#msg44980 date=1226957526
serious, RM is just a format to get your head spinning to think as a designer, pasing and all that nothing more really, doesnt teach you ANYTHING about actual game creation, just an understanding of varibles and fork conditions. Everyone else who is wanting to be serious you need to get onto 3D game making and out of pixel, learn Maya or/and 3DSM and maybe an engine; then go to college lol. RM is THE amature program, you'll never get anywhere with it. great fun tho :)

That is a really silly (being polite here) statement about both RM and pixelart.

RM, as far RPGs go (other games can be done but it is not the point of the software) is a good tool to create RPGs, maybe not in the same 3D games we have nowadays with nothing but graphics, fmvs and pretty much recycled and unoriginal content. And it has commercial power given the designers capabilities as any other too has. Same as a good artist can make art worth selling with just a coal stone and an old piece of paper.

As for 3D, I won´t go nazi and say it is worse and all, 3D has it is usefulness and pros as much as 2D has. Certain genres of games (mainly ones involving action) work way better in 3D for camera angles and motion, but when it comes down to strategy or turn based RPGs, sprites do just fine and are easer to configure on low end tools/languages, thus saving costs for smaller companies.

I pretend to keep working on small companies myself or keep freelancer. I don´t like big companies mind set nor do I want my name lost in with 3000+ names in credits for a game as the guy who modelled the trees of one of the games 30 forests. And there are many small companies doing well, half of then end up selling their games to big companies, they just work on a different philosophy.

If you believe tools matter more than skill, then you are far in the wrong side.

author=Clest link=topic=2301.msg45000#msg45000 date=1226960654
If you believe tools matter more than skill, then you are far in the wrong side.

nah i dont believe that at all, if people have tallent then they should use it in a place where they are going to get employed if serious about it, if you go to a company as a designer and say "i can do pixleart and RMXP" they will actually laugh at you, and that aimed to people who are wanting to be serious about it not the indie devs having fun. My reasons why im against pixelart is becasue give it 5 years and the industry will be rid of it within the mainstream market, its considered old and retro, RPG's are even getting rid, the sprites are getting so high rez that people are drawing frames for sprite games by hand, RMXP is fun for indie game Devs but its not a pro tool and couldn't be used as a pro tool hence why no one has published a game using it in the past 8 years. im a fan of pixleart and of pixle RPG's but its dieing out; if you like it or not.

without the right tools you wont get a job regardless of tallent, they wont be prepared to train you in Maya/3DSM or Coding from scratch just becasue you can use RMXP, its really that simple.

Its a good starting point but it'll never be a good finishing point.

author=Clest link=topic=2301.msg45037#msg45037 date=1226963361
What you say works only for big companies, again. And even Capcom resorted to go back on old NES graphical set for Megaman 9, and as someone from Microsoft said in a speach about game design I went to some months ago: "many gamers nowadays are the ones who grew on old games in the 80s, those guys now are grown up, have money, but most of then just play abandonware because companies nowadays shifted their marked tottally towards the newer gamers, that is something we plan to correct with diversion".

There will always be market for 2D games and even crappy low res sprites have their place, again for costs or different applications. They might probably leave consoles completely (or not) but won´t die.

And many companies hire pixelartists yet (check the job boards and Pixelation foruns), most of then small, but they pay nicelly for sprites.

As for RM commercial release, I suppose you never heard of Aveyound.

lol dude seriously get with it, MegaMan 9 is placed into what genre? 'Retro' and the only reason that sold is becasue it had 8 other games in the series pushing it on, it would have FAILED if it got published stand alone, and it was a DLC game, it was never boxed as far as ive seen.

And you can say that all the Devs looked at the pixel games in the 80's all you want but if you didnt notice they didn't have anything else to play in the 80's besides pixel games- 20 years from now companies will say the same about this gen of gamers.

and no i have never heard of Aveyound until just now when i had to google it, and thats pretty much speaks for it's self, if thats an example of a published game from RM then its poor, ive never heard of it and google is pulling 10 pages meaning it didn't sell at all and its far from popular, whats the chance anything else will sell from RM? 1/10'000.

As for your other example of 'Pixelation' looking for jobs then id be pretty amazed if 'PIXEL-LATION' were looking for 3D modelers. seriously, get a pixeler working for square, rockstar, valve etc, ill be amazed. maybe last gen with the textures but not in HD with x4 size textures.

no one, NO ONE will ever become a designer using RM, its for fun not industry standard practice.

regardless, its an indie game; its a download game. No one outside of the RM commun have heard of it; reason being that its an indie game is becasue no company would be crazy enough to publish it to a box or hand held.

As a side note, Aveyond is not at all successful in the RM* community. It is popular OUTSIDE of the community.

There are a few other games like this, like Laxius Power and Last Scenario.

So yeah, you're dead wrong Kuroi.

Not off to a good start there, Kuroi.