SO...ARE YOU SERIOUS?

author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=2301.msg45103#msg45103 date=1226970800
Yeah, and that's why I don't really play mainstream video games anymore.

yeah it sux, i disagree too but its the truth and its how the industry survives.

oh i do believe you dont worry, and i respect your veiews but loyalists who are against money grabbing games companies will eventually have to give into it becasue all the smaller companies are getting swallowed by the big ones either way. Games are getting more expensive to make and the basement dev teams are fading away to make DLC games, its sad i know, i hate it too becasue some good games game out of it all but y'know, gotta move with the times.

and yeah about the Aveyond developer; thats just one, name a 10th and ill agree with you, theres more chance that an indie dev will win the lottory to be totally honest.

Aveyond was not luck silly :) It wasn´t all game quality either, as Amanda herself admits, it was well placed and well directed marketing geared to the rightand EXISTENT public.

You are tied to what the big companies think, but the real money holders are the players (and parents for that matter) and those are far less demanding as you seem to think: The same way they buy big companies shitty concepts coated in awesome graphics, they can be hooked to games with not so awesome graphics but other appeals including low price =) I think you need to move on with times buddy.

Lastly: Tell us, you really had a dream of making a commercial RM game and being next Squaresoft but got frustrated and now you prefer to discourage others, right? You can be honest, we won´t be mean to you :3

be realistic. no dev company with a team of 10+ people whom expect to be paid will gain profit off a pixel game, the games industry lives on money, indie dev teams make money from cellphone games, hand held or wii games at the most noone on this earth can have a full time job as a games designer working on a pixel game, part time in their mom basement with a dev team of 5-9 people maybe to make 3$ a download, not full time carier.

And i never said you wanted to become a spriter for square, thats was an example, i was highlighting that you couldnt get a job in a company that does get games on the shelves with only 'RMXP' expierence i said this due to the topic title, if your serious about this your not gonna get a job with only RMXP on your CV, like ive already said. And if your werent trying to state that RM could be used as a pro tool then don't give me examples of games that slipped through the net.

I'm not sure what you're even talking about, man. If you're presuming that your average small-scale indie game (which, lets say, on average costs $5,000 to develop, produce and market) won't garner any sort of profit; let's look at the (made up) figures. At a mere 1000 copies sold (this is more than reasonable: there are games ON RMN with HUNDREDS OF DOWNLOADS) and priced reasonably at ten dollars, the developer is more than doubling his expenses in terms of revenue. At twenty dollars, he is quadrupling them. (Again, this is at one thousand copies.)

This is WITHOUT considering mainstream distribution. All three hardware companies are now pretty intently catering to indie developers, and that's pretty impossible to ignore. Let's look at a generic sales figure for X'Box Live's Arcade marketplace, as an approximation! (Or this one!) Please notice how most (if not nearly *all*) of the titles rank in the tens of thousands of dollars, and kindly reconsider your contrived bullshit argument.

Familiarity with RPGMaker in and of itself, I agree, is rarely indicative of potential employment; but you can't outright deny cases where this has actually taken place. It's simply a tool that many bottom-barrel developers start out with, and with the appropriate amount of effort, more than capable of delivering a content-able product. (I'd link you to the website of a friend of mine to prove this exact point, but I'll spare him the empty publicity. =/)

again, i wasnt talking about the ones that slipped through the net, i was just saying that 'RMXP' on your CV alone wont get you anywhere if your applying for a job in industry. And i was comparing the RM market income to the DLC income, i wasnt saying it doesnt make any money at all, just nowhere near enough to create a solid market for indie RM games.

author=Clest link=topic=2301.msg45114#msg45114 date=1226972425
Both routes can exist buddy, and it will become even more diverse with next generations.
Most ppl from our generation feel the same way as we do, so there is a market. Now, the big companies focus mainly on the newer generation gamers which is another market.

Think of it like comics and cartoons, animation didn´t kill comics and comics didn´t need to kill cartoons to stay alive, they work in parallel.

lol more like Black and white tv with Colour TV.
im just saying it'll die down eventually when the next gens come around, maybe not completely but to the point that the pixel games will be abit dead.

Again, your wrong.

Lys (creator of A Blurred Line) got a job in the industry in exactly this way.

I don't know what you're trying to prove. Your arguments aren't based in SOLID GROUND here.

lol still thats 2 devs, compared to the other 3 million developers all over the world thats really nothing solid. again; tallent aside thats down to luck also, thats like a 2/10'000 change you'll get a job based on RM, thats high hopes. too high.

author=Clest link=topic=2301.msg45119#msg45119 date=1226972996
Point taken about not getting a job on industry, not my interest really. But there is a huge and solid market for indie games which relates to the players ignored by the big industry. It is not a market that will generate huge companies, it is a market for a lot of small companies/groups to live from with a short but decent income. The key is to aim at the right target public and not to be too greedy.

oh the indie market is huge, just not for RMxP engine dev teams; which was my original point.

indie teams make alot of money but if they get too good they get sucked up by a bigger company, which is lame but the companys dont refuse million dollar contracts, no one is that loyal to indie games lol.

author=Kuroi link=topic=2301.msg45124#msg45124 date=1226973394
oh the indie market is huge, just not for RMxP engine dev teams; which was my original point.

You're missing the point, though. Companies (very wisely) don't particularly care about the engine or software used to create a profitable game; their interests lie in the merits of the finished products and how it benefits them financially. Your insistence on pinpointing RM as a supposed abomination is silly.

Funny enough I can use photoshop, but most of my spriting is done in paint for how fast it is (I only Photoshop for things like color editing and messing with layers).

And as you said, companies go for what works, as in any carrer you can "skip" the ladder with a lot of tallent forany areas, sure that for a programmer, RM won´t cut it, but for a game designer it sure does, in fact even pen and paper RPG designers have chances as long as their work is well spread and accepted by a general fan base.

And yeah, you keep tied to the company or being employed idea. With a shareware concept you can just promote your own game with minimum investment and Aveyond again did that, not by luck, but by talent (more on business than on game design I must saybut talent nonetheless :)

Also again: with low investment, takes nothing to try, and a lot to gain, if you don´t believe, your loss really =^.^=