[MAFIA] SIMPLE MAFIA FOR NORMAL PEOPLE

Calm down there, Ramsay. Its day 1 and a guy's gotta start somewhere.

Okay let me level with you all. I've basically got two strong scumreads today and that's Cap & Gourd. I don't actually know whether or not Ebeth is town for sure. Obviously. When I made my first post, it was all a gut read. When you're starting the day and everyone's hardly posted, that's all you've got to start with until someone starts making weird accusations or making mistakes. I just took it upon myself to get things moving and see how it played out.

Cap has been rubbing me the wrong way for a while since then for the reasons I've already stated. I think he's trying to play a subtle game. He's not making big accusatory claims, he's just trying to nudge people to be suspicious of A or B. So is Gourd. His posts come across as non-aggressive. He's asking simple questions and making simple statements with modest reads. That strikes me as fishy. They both thought I was suspicious too without really committing to it. Thus my statement before of being trigger happy without wanting to pull the trigger.

I've got two scumreads right now, and two strong town. InfectionFiles whom I don't really have a read on at this point. Demonlord who might be scum but I don't want to risk finding out today. Everyone else is soft town.


Now, all that said. I'm going to #cancel on Cap for now because of what he said before.

author=Cap_H
I wanted to see, if Isri claims cop. I tried to trick him there. I know for a fact there is no cop.

How does he know? He probably has a role. Which role? Dunno. Could be town, could be a Mafia Goon. The way I see it there are three possibilities:

1) He's telling the truth and he's town. So we shouldn't lynch him.

2) He's a Mafia Goon, which would allow him to deduce for certain that there's no cop, if there are two goons in play. He would know that having access to the scumchat.

3) Or he's lying out his butt. If that were the case, the Cop would know, and he's probably scum.


I'd prefer not to have roles be revealed on the first day, and I'm pretty confident with my picks because I feel they're the only two players on the defensive, and I'm getting vibes that they're trying to do a balancing act of defending/pressing one another - which I got from Gourd's statements on the last page. So I'm putting my chips on #lynch Gourd_Clae.

A list:
Town
Demon
Jeroen
LockeZ

IF
Psy

Null
Ebeth
Gourd

Scum
Isrieri

Ok, I think that LockeZ managed to prove himself. IF and PSY are very close to null. I don't like that IF's trying to turn attention my way, but can't say if it is an actual reason for him to score red points.
I think that Psy is analytical and all, so he should be town, but nothing stands out as strongly towny in his posts. In the end he could go both ways.

And yes, I'll commit now
#lynch Isrieri

I'm still not liking the Isrieri train. I think it's likely one or both scum are on his train or at least pushing for his lynch. We are now two away from hammer and Gourd hasn't voted yet so I implore people not to vote Isrieri anymore.

Gourd hasn't convinced me with his defense. Saying he can get behind both Isrieri and Cap but that they probably aren't both scum really reeks to me. It feels like he's playing them out against each other and making the day 1 lynch a battle between the two. Now I've been suspicious of Cap as well, but for obvious reasons we shouldn't kill him right now.

My vote stays.

I'm not comfortable ruling anything out yet. Probably because I have personally as scum bussed my partner very early and ridden the town cred all game to victory before.

But I do agree. I think it's more likely you're both town after that softclaim of yours, which is also part of the reason I want to lynch Gourd.

So, I'm a townlean now?

Yes Cap, you're a slight townlean for me now. I don't think scum would claim knowledge of no cop existing.

author=Isrieri
Now that we're all firmly on the side of claiming being a bad idea, why did Cap_H want me to claim? The town's special roles are a big chip in our pile and mafia would be frothing at the mouth to find out.

So #lynch Cap_H, because its good a place to start as any.

author=Jeroen_Sol
I agree Isrieri should not claim. He should explain his reasoning though.

My reasoning is that I'm clairvoyant. LockeZ was right.

author=Isrieri

author=demonlord5000
It's almost as though hes using me as a shield whenever he posts so that if we kill him and he turns up scum, then that means I'd probably be targeted next. I'm starting to get a strong feeling that cap is scum.

If he was scum he wouldn't try to get himself killed, mate.

This makes less sense than me!

So, these two posts. He puts a vote on me and right after it claims that I wouldn't do that as scum. Does the first post look like policy lynch? The first paragraph could be, but the sentence good as any doesn't. It's strange, indeed.

author=Ebeth
Anyway I haven't seen any good counter arguments from or for Gourd so I'm gonna-
#Lynch Gourd_Clae.

Cap claiming there is no cop is weird though- if he doesn't die tonight I'd wager he's scum.

#lynch Ebeth - Don't like this vote or this thinking.

For the vote, original Gourd callout is here:
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/23154/?post=825813#post825813 -- comes after Jero's initial vote, doesn't mention Jero's logic, and switches off of Isrieri saying he's explained his reasoning a couple posts before Isrieri actually explains his reasoning. (plus she calls earlier that she'll take it off once he meets that condition). What I don't like is that it seems like there's a scripted gameplan that just happens to start with a FOS on a good player immediately after the first vote against him, then ends up with this vote now. First Isrieri vote is possibly bussing,

The other part: calling beforehand that we should possibly kill a role if scum chooses not to nightkill them is counterproductive and borderline a setup.



@Isrieri: Thanks for sobering up, sort of.

@demon: Isrieri cast that vote before Cap_H said the cop stuff.

@Jero: I don't think late-voting is a scumtell for Gourd, and I don't think "Cap_H and Isrieri cannot both be mafia" is incompatible with "one of Cap_H or Isrieri is likely mafia". Also seems equal heat Gourd/Isrieri at this point.

For the record I still have no read on Gourd and have never really been able to get one. Don't know LockeZ/IF/Jero either but would strongly prefer a Ebeth lynch, or failing that Isrieri I guess, but not as gung-ho about him now.