[MAFIA] PROBLEMS AT THE PRECINCT.

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I should've mentioned I didn't want Gourd to get shot, though my only reason was that he had literally just joined and I would have liked him to get a chance to play so not sure if demon would have listened anyway.

It's weird though, Gourd had said even if we targeted him he wouldn't die. So was that a lie to try and scare us off? I guess it doesn't matter now anyway.

Waiting for LockeZ to answer but Isrieri makes a point. I'm not sure who I'd vote otherwise.

So we're thinking there might be a roleblocker that blocked the night kill??
Either Gourd blocked the kill (he didn't defend himself obviously because he got shot) or the indie blocked the kill on Isrieri.
I probably wouldn't have shot gourd if not for the fact his wording made him sound like he was bulletproof scum. The reason I didn't consider indie might be bulletproof is because we already know that the interrogator role serves a completely different purpose.

I should have considered he might be the protector, but his wording choice just instantly make me think he was bulletproof.

I'm pretty much just waiting on lockez too, but I'm around for discussion.
Isrieri
"My father told me this would happen."
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I don't think there's a whole lot to discuss at this point, but I'll give it my best.

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demonlord is town for sure. He shot Gourd, that's good enough for me. He'd have to be playing a masterful scum game and lying his ass off but given the content of his posts I really don't believe it.

Muffle is also town, both for her confirmed role-claim and that she's been feeling town since day 1.

I wasn't so sure about Psy at first: His hard push for Muffle made me think over my initial impressions. I never liked the oddRabbit train, and piano trying to take it seriously is what initially tipped me off. But Psy hammered soon after me, and I can only see it as a town move. As I said, the chance is way too slim for me to want to bank on it.

oddRabbit is not scum because piano came down hard on him the first day. So did LockeZ. The only reason I can think of for that would be if piano thought he had made a dire slip-up and wanted him dead before he became a liability. But firstly, it was way too early in the game for that, and secondly, I don't peg piano for the callously bussing type.

Everybody else is ded.

Process of elimination: LockeZ.

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So if you wanna claim now we can wrap this up.
Isrieri
"My father told me this would happen."
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I say he 'hammered' when I meant 'voted' but I think you get the gist.


Also I'm town. Obviously.
If you think LockeZ is scum then who do you think is the indie? I'm willing to vote as I agree with all your points, but I'm asking out of curiosity because I have slight suspicions you yourself might be the indie, though I'm unsure.
Isrieri
"My father told me this would happen."
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I am not the indie, but take my word for it that it's not important right now.

I'm not too certain because our conversation was on the terse side, but he said something in the chat that I think gave them away.
I feel basically the same as isrieri right now. My own guess for the indie right now is oddrabbit just based on the typing style, and I don't see anyone else actually making a comment that was basically: feel free to guess who I am. I just don't see that from isrieri or psy, and with lockez as likely scum, that's basically the only one remaining. Muffle is confirmed, and I don't see her typing style as even remotely the same. Just by process of elimination I am left with him.
Hmm... Alright then. Well, this game has seemed to drag on a bit so I wouldn't mind a short day, and I agree with Isreri's points and he seems the most scummy to me after all the flips. So #lynch LockeZ, however, this doesn't mean I'm unwilling to listen to LockeZ's defense whenever he replies, or anything he says.
Just realized the days haven't been any longer than our other Mafia games. Huh, for some reason it's just felt that way, well whatever. XD
Muffle's role is confirmed, not necessarily her alignment. That said, her role lessens the reason why I thought she was scum in the first place -- scum-Muffle dropping that hammer would be pretty out there.

I'm also not willing to rule out Isrieri bussing just because piano seemed to go down without a fight. But that's even more out there.
I'll withhold my vote for now just so we don't accidentally hammer before he shows up. I do feel like he hasn't been very active in comparison to other mafia games. I'm going to assume he is just busy though. I know that scum lockez posts less because he feels like he needs thought out posts, but this complete silence just isn't like him.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Day 3 ends in:



With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

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Votecount as of May 2nd, 7:10 CET:

LockeZ (2): Isrieri, Muffle

Not voting (4): LockeZ, psy_wombats, demonlord5000, oddRABBIT
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I'm not indie, I'm vanilla town. Not the most satisfying role claim.

My current running theory is that demonlord is full of shit. There was no scumkill on night one because he was jailed and couldn't perform it, and last night he outright admits that the only nightkill was performed by him.

I don't have a convincing reason to think Isrieri is innocent though. As opposed to psy and oddrabbit, who both had relatively convincing interactions with pianotm where he seemed to be taking advantage of them without their knowledge, and muffle, who has a confirmed power that is traditionally a town power.

Muffle being scum with a double-vote power isn't impossible, but it seems less likely than demonlord actually being scum who's pretending to be a vigilante.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Also, I have literally no fucking clue what psy is talking about? I have no powers, and have gotten no messages during the night, I can't confirm shit.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=Isrieri
demonlord is town for sure. He shot Gourd, that's good enough for me. He'd have to be playing a masterful scum game and lying his ass off but given the content of his posts I really don't believe it.
Why do you think he's town? So far he's the only player who's killed anyone during the night phase, and there's no particular reason I know of to think that kill was done by a vigilante instead of scum.

Two nights in a row with no scum kills is unlikely. To me, the simplest explanation is that there weren't two nights in a row with no scum kills. I think there was, in fact, a scum kill the second night.
Isrieri
"My father told me this would happen."
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There's a lot I could say in response to that but lets just say this:

author=LockeZ
I don't have a convincing reason to think Isrieri is innocent though. As opposed to psy and oddrabbit, who both had relatively convincing interactions with pianotm where he seemed to be taking advantage of them without their knowledge.


So you're saying that I'm more suspicious than either of them because I bagged piano out of the blue and for no apparent reason whatsoever?

Despite the fact that to all other players he might as well have coasted by the radar miles below sea level.

It was oddRabbit and Muffle who were both pretty scummy yesterday, but today I'm more scum than either of them?

If you are town: What in the hell do I have to do to earn your trust?
Haha, I said I could semi-confirm LockeZ because my role PM makes it clear that the term for vanilla is "constable." LockeZ breadcrumbed that term very early, didn't notice it until I reviewed his posts. This is also why I was convinced Cap couldn't be town because he said he was "vanilla" rather than the actual role name "constable."

I had actually written off demonlord as scum because Isrieri confirmed the independent and Gourd was an odd choice for nightkill, but it'd make sense to continue the vig gimmick. Kind of think that's more likely than a vigilante, actually.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Isrieri, I have a null read on you. You've acted like a town player but there's no actual hard evidence that you are one. Whereas I have reasons that I feel are more logical, not just hunches, to read Oddrabbit, Psy and Muffle as town.

I explained those reasons before, but here they are again:

OddRabbit admitted to being a shitty player, admitted he had no meaningful opinions about anyone, claimed he didn't have enough time to keep up with the thread, and said that would vote for whoever had the most votes. Then he came back five hours later and did exactly that, and voted for Pianotm. If he were scum, trying to distance himself from Pianotm via a lynch vote, he would have come up with a real reason, not a reason that was so blatantly terrible and full of holes. I am convinced he is just a shitty player.

Psy_Wombats's post on day one, when he asked me why I wasn't voting for OddRabbit, was latched onto by Pianotm, who then accused me of being inconsistent. Pianotm used some clever wording to make it look like Psy was the one who had accused me and Pianotm was just agreeing with him. This is a scum tactic used to make two town members look like they're already suspecting each-other, and the scum player is just joining the bandwagon, when in fact the scum player is the one inventing the suspicion. It's a method used to manipulate town players into hunting each-other instead of hunting scum. It's not something scum does to another member of the scum team, it's something they do to town.

Muffle provided the deciding hammer vote for Pianotm, nine minutes before the end of the day. If she hadn't done so, Pianotm would not have died - it was too close to the timer. I don't know what makes her power be considered a town power, but I think that the hammer vote is pretty conclusive.

So, those are my town reads. By process of elimination, that leaves the other two people, Isrieri and Demonlord5000, as being the two options for scum. I am leaning strongly toward Demonlord right now.
Isrieri
"My father told me this would happen."
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If you really think everyone else is town, then I think you're better off voting for me. demonlord IS the vigilante.

His original description of the jailor role corresponds to what I read and experienced last night. I have no reason to believe he was lying about that so he was jailed the first night like he said. Your reasoning only works if the jailor can also stop mafia from making nightkills. That's a pretty big assumption. I agree that mafia is deliberately refraining from nightkills, but its all because demon role-revealed the first day: The plan being to make him look like mafia hiding behind a role.

But that doesn't wash - He was also one of the two people piano was gunning after the first day, other being oddRabbit. So whhhyyyyyyy? Why come after him if he was on piano's team? Why would I bus piano for literally no reason? Its ludicrous to even suggest.