[MAFIA] SPY VS. MAFIA II DAY 3

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Off to bed, will post my analysis in the morning if it's allowed. The final person did have a few telltale signs if it is them but would need to check with Jeroen.
I'm finally back at an actual keyboard vs phoneposting for basically the entire game and able to go back through the thread. That scum didn't know each other makes it feel really really useless though so I've mostly been trying to spot setup information or voting "not LockeZ, maybe cave, probably Jero" (which also might be stupid because scum could try to kill agents privately and keeping their suspicions private). Or pointless votes in general

not really getting anywhere but still wanted cap to explain what exactly this switch was about: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24744/?post=889597#post889597
@Jero: I assume you were the one that convincing Maxwell to kill Ozzy? I'm curious if they offered any justification for wanting to keep Ozzy alive.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
I don't have a strong feeling that it's psy based on his posting but the other options suck more. i refuse to believe that lockez or cap are out-metagaming me.

@cave: unclear to me why you'd rule out CapH/LockeZ
pianotm
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I know fomar pmed me, but I also saw Jeroen doing this in thread, so I feel it necessary to make this ruling in the thread: that the punctuation and grammar analysis I see going on is in keeping bad faith with the rules against sharing PMs and chat logs. I would point out that the very citation of "each-other rule" implicitly cites an example of punctuation being used in thread analysis.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
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sounds like someone was about to get pinned. this is why you never ask mods anything
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
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anyone else have any cool ideas
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
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in addition to the metagamey stuff lockez put a lot of effort into trying to case psy after odd was already revealed as the last agent
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24744/?post=890006#post890006https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24744/?post=889947#post889947

i haven't rule them out. they suck more. trashy meta arguments


This was cap's like 3rd post in the game, I think he's plenty capable of pretending to not know that, especially when it wasn't public knowledge at that point.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
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it's possible, but people tend to overplay their hands here and not run interference so much.

cap_h also seemed to be legitimately looking for the last scum after odd revealed.

Psy also gave me that impression, but looking back, to a lesser extent than the others. There's a significant amount more devoted to talking about gray agent/defending against lockez/math

also with cap there's the stuff jeroen said about how the last scum talked in scumchat. given that jeroen could have just stayed silent and won, I see more reason to trust him than not.


#lynch psy

I'll be back for deadline to see if there are any stunning new revelations.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
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i think we can all agree it's piano's fault if we lose
OK, so...I think it's got to be LockeZ, Cave, or Cap.

I'm leaning not LockeZ. I need to reread Cave's stuff since D1, but I kind of agree with Jeroen's comments on Cap's posts since Jeroen's reveal. His responses seem kind of half-hearted since then too, especially compared with before.

There is a non-zero chance I won't be able to do much tomorrow morning before the end of D2, so I'm putting this here for now.

#lynch Cap_H
Cap_H
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I guess I'm less active because of times I'm around. And there's usually not that much to say before the game moves again.

Don't even try to lynch me, I have an item, which renders me lynchproof today.

One thing I was thinking about is that we can't 100%% trust Jero's claim. There might be another part to it, which he hasn't revealed to us. For example, what if he's the last wolf and a double agent? In that case he's only trying to mislead us. We can lynch anyone and he would win by killing odd at night.
If there's a way to protect odd, I suggest lynching Jero today and finding the last spy tomorrow.
Psy makes most sense as the third scum. He pushed Odd, based on spy names tmi. I think that push he and Jero made looks quite synchronized.
But, why would Psy use the tuba on Fomar? It was an unnecessary confirmation of a possible mislynch.
Cap_H
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I think LockeZ is that kind of player, who doesn't handle out free townreads as mafia. Here, he made quite a few reads without being under pressure and avoided easy sheeping. His PA vote wasn't the best but it went, at least slightly so, against the grain.
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author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
also with cap there's the stuff jeroen said about how the last scum talked in scumchat. given that jeroen could have just stayed silent and won, I see more reason to trust him than not.


This is a good point. He was far from pressure to fake claim. I can only imagine him making the claim to make the game more fun for him or to have a more elaborate reason. I don't know, him conceding after figuring out all other agents doesn't sound all that reliable. So, there's probably one thing he's hiding from us. The last scum's speech patterns might be an elaborate lie.
author=Cap_H
Don't even try to lynch me, I have an item, which renders me lynchproof today.


Oh darn, well there you go. Why don't you use it publicly in the topic if that's the case, and show us?

author=Cap_H
One thing I was thinking about is that we can't 100%% trust Jero's claim.


He claimed with an agent name that Odd didn't call him out on. The only other option is that he really is the last scum, and the doublemint agent fed him that name. Is that what you are implying?
My gut says Cap_H, my brain says Psy or Cave.

I'll be back in about 7 hours so shortly before the end of the day phase, if someone is a vote away from hammer I would probably hammer just in case of an item messing with the vote e.g. tuba.
I considered Jeroen trying to pull something like that but I think it'd be pointless for him to try to swap with the last scum. There'd be no benefit to gray and it's not like Jeroen's reveal saved anyone from being killed.
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Emily, I see that being an option. Jero's not Piano, who would automatically side with town as a 3p. And the claim doesn't state his real alignment, only names he is known under in the two chats.

I can't prove it, you can try to lynch me, tho. It would be also an ideal fake item to claim, if I were scum. The only thing you can be sure of is that I'm not both a wolf and a holder of an item here. The game would be over otherwise.
Yeah I want to see Cap's undaykillable item demonstrated. then if last scum really was cap could blame the setup instead of him.