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Would anyone like me to sum up the posts in the interview with Gourdy, paraphrasing-wise? I wouldn't be quoting, but just saying what we talked about. There's only about 30 posts or so total before night ended.
Would anyone like me to sum up the posts in the interview with Gourdy, paraphrasing-wise? I wouldn't be quoting, but just saying what we talked about. There's only about 30 posts or so total before night ended.
wait, would that be allowed or would odd consider it too close to 'quoting'? I'll ask first, I think
Post 1 - O
- Odd dramatically dumps Gourdy in the chat and welcomes him.
Post 2 - G
- Gourdy welcome
Post 3 - L
- Mysterious Journalist welcome
Post 4 - L
- I say I'll ask some questions, let Gourd know that I know his role and reveal it to him, say I've been watching him.
Post 5 + 6 - G
- Gourd asking who I am since Odd told me I might want to keep my name under wraps. Confused about what's going on. Wants to know who I am, saying it's unfair that I know him but not vice versa but says he's happy to answer questions. Asking about my role.
Post 7 - L
- Ask why Gourd didn't call out Fomar for claiming a Hacker role, say I have a few questions and that I'll answer them too as a show of good faith. Ask role particulars and alignment, tell Gourd my role and alignment. Tell him I have a deal - that I want town to win and that I would have talked to cave instead but that I didn't trust him not to play funny buggers because cave. Say if he's mafia I'm probably boned.
Post 8 - L
- Supposition as to whether I can talk to the same person again and saying it might be a good idea to aim for a network of people in the know. Reiterate that I'm trusting him and tell him my identity after pointing out that based on the posts at days end there's really only one person I could be.
Post 9 - G
Claims to be fully town, but is confused. Wants me to guess what his role is but that I'm right about it being Hacker. Thinks there is more than one hacker role, seems to believe fomar's hacker claim. Says that he was boondoggled by the end of day posts and didn't want to out someone who seemed legit. Not sure if he trusts me but wants to know precisely what I think his role does. (Probing to see how much information I get from Odd, maybe?)
Post 10 - G
Says something like initial thoughts about my indie claim were that they were fake, and thinks I might be mafia role that exists to spy on town.
Post 11 - L
Say I guessed some sort of role cop or investigation role because of what Fomar claimed, and that I thought it odd since I have that role (kinda?). Confirm I only got the name of his role, not the details of what it does. Tell him my role title (Investigative Journalist), let him know I understand his distrust and point out that both Fomi and Hex having roles that overlap with mine is a bit weird. (Fomi's being the role cop, Hex's being a mason chat).
Post 12 - L
Point out that a spy role like that would be too OP and not necessary as all mafia needs to know is who to target safely and it would give town a heads-up about someone snooping around, marking the mafia person as possible suspect.
Post 13 - G
Says it's odd there a lot of us. (??? no idea who he was meaning when he said that. Maybe mafia with power roles? maybe power roles themselves? idk)
Claims roleblock, says he knows there's a mafia head and he can block a kill from them (weird that a mafia head is the only one who can kill and seems dumb to me). Didn't want to use as he didn't know who to use it on. Thought about picking Hex as his claim was convenient, but Gourd was confused again. (he gets confused a lot apparently but eh, can't really judge when I mixed up miller and mason orz)
Post 14 - L
Ask who he thinks is scum and if he thinks there's any other indies. Talk about how shocked I was that Emily was town and how I was going to change to fomar. Say I'm rethinking possible mafia guesses - piano's off my hook for now, fomar is sus from his claim. Ask what his role does.
Post 15 - G
Asks me who I think he should target. Lists possible power roles. Myself, Hex, Fomar and himself are named. (No mention of Frogge.)
Post 16 - L
Agree end day was madness. Point out that his ability is useful and that he should use it. Say I won't try to tell him who to pick, that i have no idea how many non-powers or powers are around, that I may be alone as an indie or there may be more and that I'll trust in his choices of target.
Post 17 - L
Point out that he could do a test for hex or fomar to see if they claim to have used their abilities and reveal if they lie as it would give some extra information for town.
Post 18 - G
Suspicious of Hex, is pretty sure one of either Fomar or Hex are mafia but that Fomar seems innocent to him. Thinks Fomar being new is a good enough excuse. Thinks Hex is scummy because of math talk, not actively hunting and the timing of his role claim.
Post 19 - G
Thinks piano is innocent. Also thought Emily was scummy until all the voting.
Post 20 - L
Point out that Hex might die that night if he's really town and if he survives and isn't blocked he could give useful information, but his chances are probably low.
Point out that if he's mafia and gets blocked, then claims someone as an alignment, he could be proved a liar, and that the same could be said of Hex, but that Hex's role claim is less likely to get him dead in the night and that either way we get info. (Question - why isn't Hex dead? Have we talked about this? We should talk about this!)
Post 21 - G
Doesn't think there's likely to be many indies and I am probably the singular indie. Says he thinks, due to his feelings and the fact that they're hunting, that demon and cave seem town to him.
Post 22 - L
Tell him not to tell me who he decides to use his role on if there's no trust, that I'm just happy knowing that town will be helped with more information and don't need to know the deets. Say I'll support his claims if things go to hell in a handbasket, as long as we're still alive in the morning. Wonder if he can block my power since I got this room before he chose someone to block, so is there an order or role hierarchy.
Post 23 - G
Choices are difficult, he says. Speculates that picking either Hex or Fomi might be a waste because they might die before then, or he might make them seem guilty, but if he doesn't pick and they're mafia we miss out on information that could help town.
Post 24 - L
I say I've a null read on demon so far, but that I think cave is town due to gut feeling. Point out this is my second game in a while so I might be out of practice and cave might be another indie but I don't think he's mafia.
Post 25 - G
Says he'll keep quiet about his choice. Says he'll ask odd about whether he can block my power or not, or if it's just a one-off.
Post 26 - L
Point out that usually no matter which mafia amount, any of them can choose to kill so blocking one won't likely stop a night kill, but that they can be blocked from using other powers. (I realise now that with a Head, the power of death is probably in their hands only until they die and then it'll fall to a new head. I recall that being a thing in a few games. I didn't realise that it'd become a THING here to have that kind of 'only one gets to kill' instead of 'as long as there are mafia members the choice to kill will always go through'. Welp!)
Say that of Hex and Fomar's role calls, Fomar's seems the most non-townish, especially with my existence as a (pseudo?) role cop. Point out that it's a little odd after the last game when role cop claim got people in trouble, that he happily called it this time around. Say that the timing of Hex's claim is sus too.
Post 27 - G
Informs me that he is going to take his bipedal canine dependants on a stroll around the designated area of where to live and to leave any queries that come up for him to register at a later date.
Post 28 - L
Ask for his input on who I should talk to on the second night. Point out that there will be a ton of information to comb through and that our thoughts about people might change between now and then, that we cannot talk outside of the night phase in this chat so need a way to communicate and make a plan to allude to the above aforementioned canine activity, with a few names in the same post to give a list for me to consider. Also say we should keep quiet and not talk too much about each other but come out if we need to support each others' claims if it comes close to a sure lynch. (I'm still wondering why he confirmed as my source when he was no where near in trouble, btw. Why did you do that Gourdy? I wasn't about to throw you under the bus in any way, shape or form until you pulled that move which rang as sus for me and had me going back through the interview again.)
Post 29 - L
Say I've a plan to let people know about my source without giving details away as to their identity, including telling them that I cannot reveal my source as part of my role if they press the issue. (I forwent this and instead hinted that I couldn't in a joke-type way.)
Say that I'll be saying his power is unquestionably town and that I believe in him, that I will deal with the danger of trusting completely. Point out that I will not breathe a hint of his name unless he comes out and says it himself.
Post 30 - G
Says was sidetracked, thinks the code and getting called out claim is a great idea. Doesn't think that lying about my role is great but that he'll cover me if I go ahead with it.
Post 31 - Odd tells Gourdy off for editing a post. Also tells me to approve his thingy.
Post 32 - G
onopatopeia to indicate a 'my bad' situation
Post 33 - L
Got stuck in the posting screen when I tried to go back and reread so had to post something to get taken back to the full chat.
- Odd dramatically dumps Gourdy in the chat and welcomes him.
Post 2 - G
- Gourdy welcome
Post 3 - L
- Mysterious Journalist welcome
Post 4 - L
- I say I'll ask some questions, let Gourd know that I know his role and reveal it to him, say I've been watching him.
Post 5 + 6 - G
- Gourd asking who I am since Odd told me I might want to keep my name under wraps. Confused about what's going on. Wants to know who I am, saying it's unfair that I know him but not vice versa but says he's happy to answer questions. Asking about my role.
Post 7 - L
- Ask why Gourd didn't call out Fomar for claiming a Hacker role, say I have a few questions and that I'll answer them too as a show of good faith. Ask role particulars and alignment, tell Gourd my role and alignment. Tell him I have a deal - that I want town to win and that I would have talked to cave instead but that I didn't trust him not to play funny buggers because cave. Say if he's mafia I'm probably boned.
Post 8 - L
- Supposition as to whether I can talk to the same person again and saying it might be a good idea to aim for a network of people in the know. Reiterate that I'm trusting him and tell him my identity after pointing out that based on the posts at days end there's really only one person I could be.
Post 9 - G
Claims to be fully town, but is confused. Wants me to guess what his role is but that I'm right about it being Hacker. Thinks there is more than one hacker role, seems to believe fomar's hacker claim. Says that he was boondoggled by the end of day posts and didn't want to out someone who seemed legit. Not sure if he trusts me but wants to know precisely what I think his role does. (Probing to see how much information I get from Odd, maybe?)
Post 10 - G
Says something like initial thoughts about my indie claim were that they were fake, and thinks I might be mafia role that exists to spy on town.
Post 11 - L
Say I guessed some sort of role cop or investigation role because of what Fomar claimed, and that I thought it odd since I have that role (kinda?). Confirm I only got the name of his role, not the details of what it does. Tell him my role title (Investigative Journalist), let him know I understand his distrust and point out that both Fomi and Hex having roles that overlap with mine is a bit weird. (Fomi's being the role cop, Hex's being a mason chat).
Post 12 - L
Point out that a spy role like that would be too OP and not necessary as all mafia needs to know is who to target safely and it would give town a heads-up about someone snooping around, marking the mafia person as possible suspect.
Post 13 - G
Says it's odd there a lot of us. (??? no idea who he was meaning when he said that. Maybe mafia with power roles? maybe power roles themselves? idk)
Claims roleblock, says he knows there's a mafia head and he can block a kill from them (weird that a mafia head is the only one who can kill and seems dumb to me). Didn't want to use as he didn't know who to use it on. Thought about picking Hex as his claim was convenient, but Gourd was confused again. (he gets confused a lot apparently but eh, can't really judge when I mixed up miller and mason orz)
Post 14 - L
Ask who he thinks is scum and if he thinks there's any other indies. Talk about how shocked I was that Emily was town and how I was going to change to fomar. Say I'm rethinking possible mafia guesses - piano's off my hook for now, fomar is sus from his claim. Ask what his role does.
Post 15 - G
Asks me who I think he should target. Lists possible power roles. Myself, Hex, Fomar and himself are named. (No mention of Frogge.)
Post 16 - L
Agree end day was madness. Point out that his ability is useful and that he should use it. Say I won't try to tell him who to pick, that i have no idea how many non-powers or powers are around, that I may be alone as an indie or there may be more and that I'll trust in his choices of target.
Post 17 - L
Point out that he could do a test for hex or fomar to see if they claim to have used their abilities and reveal if they lie as it would give some extra information for town.
Post 18 - G
Suspicious of Hex, is pretty sure one of either Fomar or Hex are mafia but that Fomar seems innocent to him. Thinks Fomar being new is a good enough excuse. Thinks Hex is scummy because of math talk, not actively hunting and the timing of his role claim.
Post 19 - G
Thinks piano is innocent. Also thought Emily was scummy until all the voting.
Post 20 - L
Point out that Hex might die that night if he's really town and if he survives and isn't blocked he could give useful information, but his chances are probably low.
Point out that if he's mafia and gets blocked, then claims someone as an alignment, he could be proved a liar, and that the same could be said of Hex, but that Hex's role claim is less likely to get him dead in the night and that either way we get info. (Question - why isn't Hex dead? Have we talked about this? We should talk about this!)
Post 21 - G
Doesn't think there's likely to be many indies and I am probably the singular indie. Says he thinks, due to his feelings and the fact that they're hunting, that demon and cave seem town to him.
Post 22 - L
Tell him not to tell me who he decides to use his role on if there's no trust, that I'm just happy knowing that town will be helped with more information and don't need to know the deets. Say I'll support his claims if things go to hell in a handbasket, as long as we're still alive in the morning. Wonder if he can block my power since I got this room before he chose someone to block, so is there an order or role hierarchy.
Post 23 - G
Choices are difficult, he says. Speculates that picking either Hex or Fomi might be a waste because they might die before then, or he might make them seem guilty, but if he doesn't pick and they're mafia we miss out on information that could help town.
Post 24 - L
I say I've a null read on demon so far, but that I think cave is town due to gut feeling. Point out this is my second game in a while so I might be out of practice and cave might be another indie but I don't think he's mafia.
Post 25 - G
Says he'll keep quiet about his choice. Says he'll ask odd about whether he can block my power or not, or if it's just a one-off.
Post 26 - L
Point out that usually no matter which mafia amount, any of them can choose to kill so blocking one won't likely stop a night kill, but that they can be blocked from using other powers. (I realise now that with a Head, the power of death is probably in their hands only until they die and then it'll fall to a new head. I recall that being a thing in a few games. I didn't realise that it'd become a THING here to have that kind of 'only one gets to kill' instead of 'as long as there are mafia members the choice to kill will always go through'. Welp!)
Say that of Hex and Fomar's role calls, Fomar's seems the most non-townish, especially with my existence as a (pseudo?) role cop. Point out that it's a little odd after the last game when role cop claim got people in trouble, that he happily called it this time around. Say that the timing of Hex's claim is sus too.
Post 27 - G
Informs me that he is going to take his bipedal canine dependants on a stroll around the designated area of where to live and to leave any queries that come up for him to register at a later date.
Post 28 - L
Ask for his input on who I should talk to on the second night. Point out that there will be a ton of information to comb through and that our thoughts about people might change between now and then, that we cannot talk outside of the night phase in this chat so need a way to communicate and make a plan to allude to the above aforementioned canine activity, with a few names in the same post to give a list for me to consider. Also say we should keep quiet and not talk too much about each other but come out if we need to support each others' claims if it comes close to a sure lynch. (I'm still wondering why he confirmed as my source when he was no where near in trouble, btw. Why did you do that Gourdy? I wasn't about to throw you under the bus in any way, shape or form until you pulled that move which rang as sus for me and had me going back through the interview again.)
Post 29 - L
Say I've a plan to let people know about my source without giving details away as to their identity, including telling them that I cannot reveal my source as part of my role if they press the issue. (I forwent this and instead hinted that I couldn't in a joke-type way.)
Say that I'll be saying his power is unquestionably town and that I believe in him, that I will deal with the danger of trusting completely. Point out that I will not breathe a hint of his name unless he comes out and says it himself.
Post 30 - G
Says was sidetracked, thinks the code and getting called out claim is a great idea. Doesn't think that lying about my role is great but that he'll cover me if I go ahead with it.
Post 31 - Odd tells Gourdy off for editing a post. Also tells me to approve his thingy.
Post 32 - G
onopatopeia to indicate a 'my bad' situation
Post 33 - L
Got stuck in the posting screen when I tried to go back and reread so had to post something to get taken back to the full chat.
There you go. Coloured the post titles for ease of telling who said what. I'm purple, Gourdy's orange.
Hopefully this helps town in some way. there's a few italicised parts where I noticed some stuff, too, or wanted to clarify something.
author=psy_wombats
@Gourd it's important because if the godfather is forced to submit the nightkill, then your RB functions as a "not-the-godfather" detector even with more than one scum alive. As it stands now it'll only be useful with only one scum alive. I've sort of been assuming there were three for no good reason. But it's another reason to kill Fomar today than keeping him around for fake results.
re: playing for next dayphse: I guess that's fair.
Basically confirmed not-scum: Hex, Frogge, Liberty, piano, one of Fomar/Gourd
Townreads: demon, cap, esby
Which just leaves cave as "neutralish" - I don't like his wariness around the broadcast, I don't like leaving Fomar alive.
cap I guess could go back to neutral from townread just because it'd make sense to not kill Hex if cap legit didn't know Hex was the cop but that seems farfetched that the other scum wouldn't bring it up
I am fine with killing him, but I want three days worth of his posts to look at after he flips scum.
author=Gourd_Clae
My thing with libby's role is I don't know how it is useful for any alignment at all. It just seems unhelpful.
Today the only options that makes sense to me are
1) *the broadcast is a useful indicator of who is town. Lynch lberty or hex
2) *the broadcast is not a useful indicator of who is town. Lynch fomar because the only "town" thing he has done today was have the broadcast.
3) *The broadcast might be helpful in the future but right now it is not (I thinking this is the best way to think about it until further notice). Lynch fomar still because he has been the most scummy player today and will likely give us insight into whether the broadcast helps or not. Then, we can go from there.
I agree with cave that the broadcasts are probably useless in terms of determining alignment. All I know is why I didn't get it. Assuming a pattern based on a single point of information is dangerous.
Probing to see how much information I get from Odd, maybe?) - This is what I was doing, yes.
Says it's odd there a lot of us. (??? no idea who he was meaning when he said that. Maybe mafia with power roles? maybe power roles themselves? idk) - I meant it was weird that there were so many cops. You were a role cop, hex an alignment cop and fomar a cop of some sort
(I realise now that with a Head, the power of death is probably in their hands only until they die and then it'll fall to a new head. I recall that being a thing in a few games. I didn't realise that it'd become a THING here to have that kind of 'only one gets to kill' instead of 'as long as there are mafia members the choice to kill will always go through'. Welp!) - I am glad this makes sense to you now lol
(I'm still wondering why he confirmed as my source when he was no where near in trouble, btw. Why did you do that Gourdy? I wasn't about to throw you under the bus in any way, shape or form until you pulled that move which rang as sus for me and had me going back through the interview again.) - I don't really know what you are talking about. I thought I didn't say I was your source until you revealed my role (which was anti town from where I'm sitting)
(Question - why isn't Hex dead? Have we talked about this? We should talk about this!)
We talked about this a little!
Alternatively, ozzy was onto something? (not likely) Alt alt there was a possibility of incriminating one of the mafia members if someone more obvious or dangerous was killed in the night.
Says it's odd there a lot of us. (??? no idea who he was meaning when he said that. Maybe mafia with power roles? maybe power roles themselves? idk) - I meant it was weird that there were so many cops. You were a role cop, hex an alignment cop and fomar a cop of some sort
(I realise now that with a Head, the power of death is probably in their hands only until they die and then it'll fall to a new head. I recall that being a thing in a few games. I didn't realise that it'd become a THING here to have that kind of 'only one gets to kill' instead of 'as long as there are mafia members the choice to kill will always go through'. Welp!) - I am glad this makes sense to you now lol
(I'm still wondering why he confirmed as my source when he was no where near in trouble, btw. Why did you do that Gourdy? I wasn't about to throw you under the bus in any way, shape or form until you pulled that move which rang as sus for me and had me going back through the interview again.) - I don't really know what you are talking about. I thought I didn't say I was your source until you revealed my role (which was anti town from where I'm sitting)
(Question - why isn't Hex dead? Have we talked about this? We should talk about this!)
We talked about this a little!
author=Gourd_Clae
@piano
I think I'm confused by your idea that it's possible fomar and I are both scum and also that if this were true psy would be suspicious for voting on me in the beginning. Are these theories for different possibilities?
author=pianotmGourd_ClaeI'm shocked! Where is Libby's journalistic integrity!? So much for being impartial...
*I guess to clarify my logic on lbby/fomar: Liberty pushed me to read fomar as scum while we were in her chat so it would be weird to me if she were scum and also actively pushing townspeople to suspect her scumbuddies in the night.
There truly is no impartial news these days, huh?
@cave I agree that ozzy's scumlist was probably not the reason he was killed last night. I think ozzy was just killed to keep suspicion of off people who'd be implicated if say fomar or hex were killed. If either of them died the other one would be very sus in my eyes so ozzy was probably just killed in the hopes that town would mislynch among the two of them today. I will go look to see who said the "would be weird if they both lived!" post!
Alternatively, ozzy was onto something? (not likely) Alt alt there was a possibility of incriminating one of the mafia members if someone more obvious or dangerous was killed in the night.
author=Hexatonaauthor=psy_wombatsI am fine with killing him, but I want three days worth of his posts to look at after he flips scum.
@Gourd it's important because if the godfather is forced to submit the nightkill, then your RB functions as a "not-the-godfather" detector even with more than one scum alive. As it stands now it'll only be useful with only one scum alive. I've sort of been assuming there were three for no good reason. But it's another reason to kill Fomar today than keeping him around for fake results.
re: playing for next dayphse: I guess that's fair.
Basically confirmed not-scum: Hex, Frogge, Liberty, piano, one of Fomar/Gourd
Townreads: demon, cap, esby
Which just leaves cave as "neutralish" - I don't like his wariness around the broadcast, I don't like leaving Fomar alive.
cap I guess could go back to neutral from townread just because it'd make sense to not kill Hex if cap legit didn't know Hex was the cop but that seems farfetched that the other scum wouldn't bring it up
This is probably not going to be helpful at this point now that he knows he has been left alive just to be studied. He can just act purposefully obfuscating and cover his tracks from the last 2 days.
So, who's my scum team.
Fomar. I wanted him dead for a lot of reasons. His role sounded bunk, he voted for frogge for what was a really stupid reason link, and then on himself. Classic untrained scum move. I made it myself first game. Every move he makes just says amateur scum. If he did flip town though, that would throw a lot of suspicion on Gourd. And maybe a splatter on Liberty. I'm content to believe indie with her. She shared a lot of details, details Gourd has been very willing to share. I would imagine a real scum interview would be very quick, and excuses made to avoid most of it.
So, Psy, Cap, Demon are the next folks for me to choose from, off the top of my suspect list.
Cave - he's deliberately being a dong. Probably because he's frustrated at what he perceives as a very lopsided game.
Piano - either he's town, or I lucked out on a Godfather hit, if one is in this game. If gourd is killed and is town, I feel like that would make his assertion of a head scum being true, and that would paint piano badly. He says some dumb things, but that's mostly just because from my perspective the frogge question is sompletely settled. I'm glad I'm not one of the people on the other side of this knowledge. Maybe being confirmed town made him less strict with what he was saying. I agree with his anger towards Cave. Cave is either being a frustrated town, or a refuge in audacity scum.
Cap, He has tried to keep the conversation moving, which is nice. Tried to protect formar - but it's possible he just didn't want to rush on day 2. He was thinking I was suspicious until he finally got around to reading the logs. In all, I find him difficult to read. Which puts him higher.
Psy - I like his reads today better than Caps. They seem more cogent. If I had to shoot one or the other, I'd keep Psy and shoot cap. Then, I'd shoot Psy.
Demon - God, reading his phone posts is painful as hell. I can see the case for him being an innefective scum team load because he's really at a disadvantage there. He spent a lot of time on the broadcast stuff, and did a lot of neutral talking and a few really simple misunderstandings. I feel like he just isn't getting the right direction from his scum overlords in a timely manner. Having said that, I think Odd would make sure scum weren't at a disadvantage like that. Who knows.
Liberty - her neutral allignment claims seem very legit. On the other hand, she might have wanted to out herself as neutral with gourd as a patsy so I wouldn't want to waste a alignment check on her if she was scum.
Gourd, can you confirm you never got any information about Liberty in this chat? Was there something specific that makes you think Liberty is Indie vs Scum?
ESBY - at this point I'm assuming he's just vanilla town and got bored of the game because of it. I'll be fucking pissed if he's scum with the amount he's posting.
Gourd - is very chatty, I find her role believable. On top of that, it apparently worked. If fomar is town, gourd looks bad, though, real bad. If they are both town, fuck this game.
Fomar. I wanted him dead for a lot of reasons. His role sounded bunk, he voted for frogge for what was a really stupid reason link, and then on himself. Classic untrained scum move. I made it myself first game. Every move he makes just says amateur scum. If he did flip town though, that would throw a lot of suspicion on Gourd. And maybe a splatter on Liberty. I'm content to believe indie with her. She shared a lot of details, details Gourd has been very willing to share. I would imagine a real scum interview would be very quick, and excuses made to avoid most of it.
So, Psy, Cap, Demon are the next folks for me to choose from, off the top of my suspect list.
Cave - he's deliberately being a dong. Probably because he's frustrated at what he perceives as a very lopsided game.
Piano - either he's town, or I lucked out on a Godfather hit, if one is in this game. If gourd is killed and is town, I feel like that would make his assertion of a head scum being true, and that would paint piano badly. He says some dumb things, but that's mostly just because from my perspective the frogge question is sompletely settled. I'm glad I'm not one of the people on the other side of this knowledge. Maybe being confirmed town made him less strict with what he was saying. I agree with his anger towards Cave. Cave is either being a frustrated town, or a refuge in audacity scum.
Cap, He has tried to keep the conversation moving, which is nice. Tried to protect formar - but it's possible he just didn't want to rush on day 2. He was thinking I was suspicious until he finally got around to reading the logs. In all, I find him difficult to read. Which puts him higher.
Psy - I like his reads today better than Caps. They seem more cogent. If I had to shoot one or the other, I'd keep Psy and shoot cap. Then, I'd shoot Psy.
Demon - God, reading his phone posts is painful as hell. I can see the case for him being an innefective scum team load because he's really at a disadvantage there. He spent a lot of time on the broadcast stuff, and did a lot of neutral talking and a few really simple misunderstandings. I feel like he just isn't getting the right direction from his scum overlords in a timely manner. Having said that, I think Odd would make sure scum weren't at a disadvantage like that. Who knows.
Liberty - her neutral allignment claims seem very legit. On the other hand, she might have wanted to out herself as neutral with gourd as a patsy so I wouldn't want to waste a alignment check on her if she was scum.
Gourd, can you confirm you never got any information about Liberty in this chat? Was there something specific that makes you think Liberty is Indie vs Scum?
ESBY - at this point I'm assuming he's just vanilla town and got bored of the game because of it. I'll be fucking pissed if he's scum with the amount he's posting.
Gourd - is very chatty, I find her role believable. On top of that, it apparently worked. If fomar is town, gourd looks bad, though, real bad. If they are both town, fuck this game.
Also, Gourd, I'm almost certain I'm still alive because Mafia didn't want to waste a night kill on someone who would 100% be protected if there was a protection role. I can imagine, though, they would have 100% role blocked me if they had that ability, I'd be such an easy lynch next day.
I should say that, if gourd is killed and confirmed town, it's possible any of my town alignment reads are suspect.
psy_wombats
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@Hex were you informed you didn't receive the broadcast "because of your role" or "because you have a role?"
The only logically consistent ways I can see the broadcast working is that it gets sent to all vanilla players (or all non-mason players), and Gourd (and Fomar, if to all non-masons) are liars who learned of the broadcast from a vanilla goon teammate. I'm willing to accept that who does or does not get the broadcast might not be logically consistent, but the theme of the game "frequency" would make a loot of sense if the frequencies are masonries and everyone ends up in exactly one of them each night.
@Liberty thanks for the information, I think it's doubtful that Gourd would make stuff up about blocking the nightkill when he had the opportunity to make stuff up about not being a RB.
The only logically consistent ways I can see the broadcast working is that it gets sent to all vanilla players (or all non-mason players), and Gourd (and Fomar, if to all non-masons) are liars who learned of the broadcast from a vanilla goon teammate. I'm willing to accept that who does or does not get the broadcast might not be logically consistent, but the theme of the game "frequency" would make a loot of sense if the frequencies are masonries and everyone ends up in exactly one of them each night.
@Liberty thanks for the information, I think it's doubtful that Gourd would make stuff up about blocking the nightkill when he had the opportunity to make stuff up about not being a RB.
If there's a doctor in the house, please keep me alive again. Everyone with night actions, think long and hard about what would give us the most information. Let's not fall all over ourselves talking about results tomorrow until we can catch people in lies more effectively.
Fomar. You're going to die today, unless you start being very convincing. Remind us again how your night actions went, and what your death flipping town will mean, in your eyes.
Fomar. You're going to die today, unless you start being very convincing. Remind us again how your night actions went, and what your death flipping town will mean, in your eyes.
author=psy_wombats
@Hex were you informed you didn't receive the broadcast "because of your role" or "because you have a role?"
The only logically consistent ways I can see the broadcast working is that it gets sent to all vanilla players (or all non-mason players), and Gourd (and Fomar, if to all non-masons) are liars who learned of the broadcast from a vanilla goon teammate. I'm willing to accept that who does or does not get the broadcast might not be logically consistent, but the theme of the game "frequency" would make a loot of sense if the frequencies are masonries and everyone ends up in exactly one of them each night.
@Liberty thanks for the information, I think it's doubtful that Gourd would make stuff up about blocking the nightkill when he had the opportunity to make stuff up about not being a RB.
Good question. Lemme look... It was the latter.
Also, you make a good point. I was also considering that the broadcast probably went to all vanillas. This being frequency mafia, I think Fomars role (which to me seems very scummy) is actually being able to spy on one chat per night.
psy_wombats
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Oh, yeah, having a frequency-spy on scum would make sense. So, in that case, here's my solution:
Scumteam is Gourd+Fomar+Cave. Town has a redirector that submitted Hex -> Ozzy. Scum tried to kill Hex but got Ozzy instead. Fomar hacked the Froggecast and gave Gourd and Cave the details, and only pretended to be roleblocked. Cave is super frustrated because this is the like the fourth game in a row where he's been scum in a town-skewed game.
Scumteam is Gourd+Fomar+Cave. Town has a redirector that submitted Hex -> Ozzy. Scum tried to kill Hex but got Ozzy instead. Fomar hacked the Froggecast and gave Gourd and Cave the details, and only pretended to be roleblocked. Cave is super frustrated because this is the like the fourth game in a row where he's been scum in a town-skewed game.
author=psy_wombats
Oh, yeah, having a frequency-spy on scum would make sense. So, in that case, here's my solution:
Scumteam is Gourd+Fomar+Cave. Town has a redirector that submitted Hex -> Ozzy. Scum tried to kill Hex but got Ozzy instead. Fomar hacked the Froggecast and gave Gourd and Cave the details, and only pretended to be roleblocked. Cave is super frustrated because this is the like the fourth game in a row where he's been scum in a town-skewed game.
Question: I'm very uninformed on possible roles. Is there such a role that can actually redirect a mafia kill?
psy_wombats
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Yeah it exists but I've never seen it on RMN and that's more of a crack theory than something I'd want to take action against. It's mostly still just killing Ozzy and leaving Hex just seems like a really bad move for scum that I have trouble believing it was intentional.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
i've managed to stay alive past 9 pm. i want to examine the motive for killing ozzy. he wasn't one of the known power roles, and he wasn't someone who was a strong entity in the game. his scumreads were this
My main suspects in this order are:
Hexatona, Fomar and Frogge.
I don't really consider the idea of him being killed over this (as in, killing someone who will vote you later) worth much. fomar had a lot of people on him besides ozzy, and hex/frogge I am treating as town for obvious reasons.
im going to pass out fo rrealsies now but if someone could look at who was bringing up "wow if neither of them (fomar/hex) die that will be really weird" on day 1, and then never pursued that line of logic (wouldn't want to take credit for a mislynch) on day 2, i would...appreciate it.
fomar's d1 posts seem even worse to me now, rereading near the d1 deadline.
author=psy_wombats
That Ozzy was killed makes me think scum is trying to reverse-psychology kill Hex. Hex + Frogge are confirmed to me. I'm not as sure about Liberty being clear for the reasons piano mentioned just because I believe liberty is savvy enough to hint at a fakeclaim. will have to reread her end of day votes.
Interested to here Fomar's result. The reason I said his claim sucked is that when cave asked him if he was claiming rolecop, his response was "no I'm dumb enough to claim rolecop" vs "no I am not the rolecop"
this psy post still seems good to me if fomar flips scum.
This post gives me Cave/Psy w/w vibes.
Also, yeah Frogge outing all vanillas makes him town. It's super reckless. Hexa's confirmed too unless mod lies.
