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A RACIAL AND CULTURAL TOPIC!
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Feldschlacht IV
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CloseThese subjects are always interesting, but never really openly talked about.
A lot of people think that 'OH RACE IS SUCH A BULL TOPIC THAT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE', which I personally think its bullcrap myself because race will always be relevant in any society. Also a lot of people really keep hush hush about it because it's not really a politically correct thing to discuss, especially where you live.
I've always found racial and cultural subjects fascinating to talk about. I was watching Dave Chappelle, and as some of you may know a lot of his material is based on racial and cultural differences, primarily in America. He is pretty spot on about many African America subcultural contexts, and he's also accurate about observations on 'white' cultural America as well.
I'm a lot of races, but I was 'culturally' raised 'African American'. However, growing up in a major city I was surrounded by a LOT of races. White people, Asian people, Indians, and of course black people. I have a LOT of opinions on all of this. This post is getting too long so I'll elaborate as the topic goes.
But this topic is by no means about BLACK PEOPLE or WHITE PEOPLE. It can be about any culture, nationality, or 'race'. How have your relations with other races and cultures been? Have you ever experienced any discrimination? Are you in an area that experiences friction with other cultures?
A lot of people think that 'OH RACE IS SUCH A BULL TOPIC THAT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE', which I personally think its bullcrap myself because race will always be relevant in any society. Also a lot of people really keep hush hush about it because it's not really a politically correct thing to discuss, especially where you live.
I've always found racial and cultural subjects fascinating to talk about. I was watching Dave Chappelle, and as some of you may know a lot of his material is based on racial and cultural differences, primarily in America. He is pretty spot on about many African America subcultural contexts, and he's also accurate about observations on 'white' cultural America as well.
I'm a lot of races, but I was 'culturally' raised 'African American'. However, growing up in a major city I was surrounded by a LOT of races. White people, Asian people, Indians, and of course black people. I have a LOT of opinions on all of this. This post is getting too long so I'll elaborate as the topic goes.
But this topic is by no means about BLACK PEOPLE or WHITE PEOPLE. It can be about any culture, nationality, or 'race'. How have your relations with other races and cultures been? Have you ever experienced any discrimination? Are you in an area that experiences friction with other cultures?
AznChipmunk
4613
I've always thought "White" House was racist. I'm not really going to get into this topic anymore than that, since I would basically go into rant mode.
No, that's really okay. I mean if you have thoughts an opinions, I'd seriously read anything you'd have to say. I'm fascinated by this stuff. It would really be great if everyone was completely honest without having to worry about being PC.
AznChipmunk
4613
Well... actually I've said some of my stuff in the presidential topic (where I got shot down.) I have some pretty radical opinions on racism, I guess, from just racism I have had to deal with!
Basically, I think pretty much everyone is racist. I feel that almost everyone stereotypes either on purpose or subconciously. I think it's something society's has brought up in us, and according to myself, I am fairly racist! Which is true... sometimes I get really angry about things like Japan.
Er, I actually have to go now I'll come back later and edit this post and make sense of it, or at least sense in my terms. Although it's hard to see things from my point of view, if you're not me.
Also, if you know Psyburn, I basically have the same opinions as him EXCEPT I don't want to be black or Hispanic.
Basically, I think pretty much everyone is racist. I feel that almost everyone stereotypes either on purpose or subconciously. I think it's something society's has brought up in us, and according to myself, I am fairly racist! Which is true... sometimes I get really angry about things like Japan.
Er, I actually have to go now I'll come back later and edit this post and make sense of it, or at least sense in my terms. Although it's hard to see things from my point of view, if you're not me.
Also, if you know Psyburn, I basically have the same opinions as him EXCEPT I don't want to be black or Hispanic.
Basically, I think pretty much everyone is racist. I feel that almost everyone stereotypes either on purpose or subconciously. I think it's something society's has brought up in us,
You are absolutely correct. More at 11.
Natook
1000
I really don't see this topic ending well. Especially if you're both aware that everyone is racist and stereotypical.
author=AznChipmunk link=topic=2621.msg48650#msg48650 date=1228268373
I've always thought "White" House was racist. I'm not really going to get into this topic anymore than that, since I would basically go into rant mode.
Yeah, calling a famous mansion that is painted white the White House is inherently racist. This example is almost as bad as the black city councilman in Texas who blew up when a white councilman used the term "blackhole" as an analogy for an poorly run office where things seem to disappear.
Come on folks, there is enough racism out there without people actively looking for it and parsing every word.
I really don't see this topic ending well. Especially if you're both aware that everyone is racist and stereotypical.
That's why I implore everyone to discuss this maturely and respectfully like adults. I'm aware of the controversy that can come about in racial and cultural topics, but it would be a damn shame if we couldn't talk about something that's so prevalent and universal. I really hate how this subject is hush hush. Why should it be?
This example is almost as bad as the black city councilman in Texas who blew up when a white councilman used the term "blackhole" as an analogy for an poorly run office where things seem to disappear.
I remember that. Yeah, that was really dumb.
I remembered something from 2 years ago. In my language arts class, people suddenly came up to me and they were all like "Are you okay?" and I was like "What? What do you mean?" and they said that someone in the classroom said something racist about me, which I never knew what it was. Then about 2 minutes later he apologized to me and I said "I don't even know what you said that was racist." But after that everything resumed to normal...It was one of the most awkwardest moment of my life.
I'm Asian, by the way. Although I do not know any Asian languages.
I'm Asian, by the way. Although I do not know any Asian languages.
Uh. What is the point of being racist? Does it provide you some advantage in life? Does it make you feel good? I really don't understand. Also, your assumption that everyone is racist just makes you look like an ass.
I don't think it's inaccurate for him to say that everyone has some degree of stereotypical viewpoints, or 'racism' on other cultures or a specific culture or whatever. The very fact that you belong to a race yourself is pretty much proof of this. Nobody on the planet is COMPLETELY devoid of any inherent cultural or racial prejudices.
Natook
1000
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=2621.msg48673#msg48673 date=1228271212Uh. What is the point of being racist? Does it provide you some advantage in life? Does it make you feel good? I really don't understand. Also, your assumption that everyone is racist just makes you look like an ass.
I don't think it's inaccurate for him to say that everyone has some degree of stereotypical viewpoints, or 'racism' on other cultures or a specific culture or whatever. The very fact that you belong to a race yourself is pretty much proof of this. Nobody on the planet is COMPLETELY devoid of any inherent cultural or racial prejudices.
Prime example of what I'm talking about hehe. Also I'm aware that you always push for people to stay intelligent without fighting and such, but that's close to impossible because someone always feels like it's the cool thing to do to just come in here and start firing rounds. Which is probably why a lot of discussion topics get locked. Buuuut hey I'll go for it.
I come from an almost completely white town. I know for a fact that I don't hold anything against anyone for their race at all, but it does stand out whenever I see a black person. That would fall under the category of subconscious racism I believe, but not because I hate them for their color. Just because it's not what I'm used to. Which is generally how racism is derived, being around people who are within a different flow to what you're used to. Just because they stand out to me doesn't mean I'll treat them any less than they should be. I also realize that if I grew up around more black people, I would be more used to it, and that's something that I cannot help. Which, I know that Feld is black and AZN is asian, and that doesn't keep me from treating them the same as any other member on here.
I see what you mean, but 'racism', or more accurately discrimination, prejudice, or stereotyping isn't always defined as thinking you're better than another race or culture or treating them any worse. Sometimes it's as simple as preconceived notions or assumptions.
'Racism' is the wrong word, I apologize. However, replacing that with 'discrimination, prejudice, or stereotyping', even to the smallest degree, and I stand by my point.
Saedom
12
Mmmh... got a few things to say on that matter.
I am a white french-canadian. My ancestors came from France a few centuries ago on boats to settle here, pushing away the aboriginals who lived here for millenias. Canada was built on racism. Racism against aboriginals, racism between Canadians of french ancestry against Canadians of english ancestry and vice-versa. Now the immigrants from the muslim world are being judged by us, immigrants from Europe. I find all this disgusting, but at the same time I can't help but think that it's unfortunately an intrinsic part of the human nature. Or so I did until recently.
Right now I'm studying chinese and japanese cultures. It's really interesting, because these societies evolved completely differently than Occident. As an example, there is in China (or was, before communist colonialism) a notion of "civic nationalism", which refers to the simple fact that all ethnies represented inside the chinese territory, be they of different religion, skin color or language, are united under a common governing infrastructure working for the benefit and wealth of all its citizens (46 ethnies, if I recall). This was the key to the emperor's power over China, as he could easily rule an empire by opening up to his subjects (especially under the Ming, when the emperor sent Zheng He with a horde of gifts to establish commercial and diplomatic ties with other nations - not to establish colonies). That model of unity was taken as an example by Sun Yat'sen in the '20s to elaborate a new model for a united China after the fall of the last dynasty - but his plan failed thanks to the communists and the militarists under him, factions created by the USSR and by the european business men.
Now, I find it interesting to try and compare this kind of chinese nationalism, which has no linguistic or ethnic border, with the nationalism that we usually experience in the west. Racism, hate, isolationnism, extermination, nazism. These human-made horrors that constantly brings civism and tolerance to its knees and makes us ask " Why? Why are there terrorists? Why are there people fighting for religion?" It's sad to say, but we create most of these problems. We do crimes against people, for which someone wants revenge, and there goes the cycle. You all know that anyway.
I said earlier that Canada was built on racism. Today, we work hard to try and make it a better place. We work together, the most we can. I believe that we can accomplish unity through civism, and that one day I will live to see the day where my country will be a truly open one, where I don't have to endure racist comments in the street aimed at that Pakistan immigrant, or at that jewish woman. WE NEED TO FIGHT THESE PREJUDICES! Of course human nature is scared and ignorant. Of course we are born afraid of what we don't know. But that's what is truly beautiful with humanity, it's that we can learn, we can stop being bloody ignorants when facing other cultures. So whenever I speak to someone who recently arrived in my country, I encourage him. I encourage him to be part of my community, and I am curious about him. What's his culture? Where does he come from? EDUCATION IS THE KEY. Education through art, science, literature, languages, etc. A population of ignorants believe lies so easily and it's easier to rule... That's why so many governments try to bring down the quality level of education.
I am aware that nothing ever is perfect, there's always somebody somewhere acting for his own benefit. But instead of aiming low, we can aim high. Most politicians ignore that fact.
Now flame me at will.
I am a white french-canadian. My ancestors came from France a few centuries ago on boats to settle here, pushing away the aboriginals who lived here for millenias. Canada was built on racism. Racism against aboriginals, racism between Canadians of french ancestry against Canadians of english ancestry and vice-versa. Now the immigrants from the muslim world are being judged by us, immigrants from Europe. I find all this disgusting, but at the same time I can't help but think that it's unfortunately an intrinsic part of the human nature. Or so I did until recently.
Right now I'm studying chinese and japanese cultures. It's really interesting, because these societies evolved completely differently than Occident. As an example, there is in China (or was, before communist colonialism) a notion of "civic nationalism", which refers to the simple fact that all ethnies represented inside the chinese territory, be they of different religion, skin color or language, are united under a common governing infrastructure working for the benefit and wealth of all its citizens (46 ethnies, if I recall). This was the key to the emperor's power over China, as he could easily rule an empire by opening up to his subjects (especially under the Ming, when the emperor sent Zheng He with a horde of gifts to establish commercial and diplomatic ties with other nations - not to establish colonies). That model of unity was taken as an example by Sun Yat'sen in the '20s to elaborate a new model for a united China after the fall of the last dynasty - but his plan failed thanks to the communists and the militarists under him, factions created by the USSR and by the european business men.
Now, I find it interesting to try and compare this kind of chinese nationalism, which has no linguistic or ethnic border, with the nationalism that we usually experience in the west. Racism, hate, isolationnism, extermination, nazism. These human-made horrors that constantly brings civism and tolerance to its knees and makes us ask " Why? Why are there terrorists? Why are there people fighting for religion?" It's sad to say, but we create most of these problems. We do crimes against people, for which someone wants revenge, and there goes the cycle. You all know that anyway.
I said earlier that Canada was built on racism. Today, we work hard to try and make it a better place. We work together, the most we can. I believe that we can accomplish unity through civism, and that one day I will live to see the day where my country will be a truly open one, where I don't have to endure racist comments in the street aimed at that Pakistan immigrant, or at that jewish woman. WE NEED TO FIGHT THESE PREJUDICES! Of course human nature is scared and ignorant. Of course we are born afraid of what we don't know. But that's what is truly beautiful with humanity, it's that we can learn, we can stop being bloody ignorants when facing other cultures. So whenever I speak to someone who recently arrived in my country, I encourage him. I encourage him to be part of my community, and I am curious about him. What's his culture? Where does he come from? EDUCATION IS THE KEY. Education through art, science, literature, languages, etc. A population of ignorants believe lies so easily and it's easier to rule... That's why so many governments try to bring down the quality level of education.
I am aware that nothing ever is perfect, there's always somebody somewhere acting for his own benefit. But instead of aiming low, we can aim high. Most politicians ignore that fact.
Now flame me at will.
suzuricho
283
I was raised in a small white only town in Arkansas. I lived with my dad that always talked about how if the Confederacy won the Civil War, then he wouldn't have to worry about the safety of his kids so much. When I took Japanese in high school, he almost disowned me completely - and the looks he gave my sensei (who was actually Japanese!). Pretty much everyone in this small town felt the same way.
I've always never understood that mindset, and now the name calling feels to me just as name calling. When someone says "ni**er" and someone else gets offended, then I tell them to sit down and shut up, it's just name calling. That's all. It's not because I agree with it, it's because that's all I see it as.
The black people should be proud of who they are, not use it as a crutch. This goes for all races. There have been amazing people from every single race - and all I see is someone has a little big more pigment in their skin than I do.
I've always never understood that mindset, and now the name calling feels to me just as name calling. When someone says "ni**er" and someone else gets offended, then I tell them to sit down and shut up, it's just name calling. That's all. It's not because I agree with it, it's because that's all I see it as.
The black people should be proud of who they are, not use it as a crutch. This goes for all races. There have been amazing people from every single race - and all I see is someone has a little big more pigment in their skin than I do.
I have to go to bed so I won't get to reply to the whole thing and other interesting, posts, but
Technically, you're right. But the word 'nigger' (and I'm using it only in a mature, 'educational' context, we're all adults) has a lot of negative connotation to it, attached to a horrible history of segregation, slavery, oppression, and even outright murder.
None of that really exists today for black people like it did before (although racism is very much still alive and well), but the history of the word itself and the weight it carries makes it a lot harder to just dismiss it as 'LOL SHUCKS IT'S JUST NAME CALLING'. It's still a very powerful word and it can be very damaging and destructive. And yes that goes for black people that go 'LOL I RIDE AND DIE FOR MAH NIGGAHS' before anyone brings it up.
I've always never understood that mindset, and now the name calling feels to me just as name calling. When someone says "ni**er" and someone else gets offended, then I tell them to sit down and shut up, it's just name calling. That's all. It's not because I agree with it, it's because that's all I see it as.
Technically, you're right. But the word 'nigger' (and I'm using it only in a mature, 'educational' context, we're all adults) has a lot of negative connotation to it, attached to a horrible history of segregation, slavery, oppression, and even outright murder.
None of that really exists today for black people like it did before (although racism is very much still alive and well), but the history of the word itself and the weight it carries makes it a lot harder to just dismiss it as 'LOL SHUCKS IT'S JUST NAME CALLING'. It's still a very powerful word and it can be very damaging and destructive. And yes that goes for black people that go 'LOL I RIDE AND DIE FOR MAH NIGGAHS' before anyone brings it up.
suzuricho
283
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=2621.msg48760#msg48760 date=1228296102
I have to go to bed so I won't get to reply to the whole thing and other interesting, posts, butI've always never understood that mindset, and now the name calling feels to me just as name calling. When someone says "ni**er" and someone else gets offended, then I tell them to sit down and shut up, it's just name calling. That's all. It's not because I agree with it, it's because that's all I see it as.
Technically, you're right. But the word 'nigger' (and I'm using it only in a mature, 'educational' context, we're all adults) has a lot of negative connotation to it, attached to a horrible history of segregation, slavery, oppression, and even outright murder.
None of that really exists today for black people like it did before (although racism is very much still alive and well), but the history of the word itself and the weight it carries makes it a lot harder to just dismiss it as 'LOL SHUCKS IT'S JUST NAME CALLING'. It's still a very powerful word and it can be very damaging and destructive. And yes that goes for black people that go 'LOL I RIDE AND DIE FOR MAH NIGGAHS' before anyone brings it up.
But lawsuits over name calling? I find that to be immature. I don't get upset because anyone may call me a cunt. I just laugh at that someone for not being able to find a more creative way to insult me. I don't see why it hurts because I'm not a part of that group, I'll be honest. I've been teased all my life - not for racial stuff because of where I grew up, but for being a female. If I let every single time I've been put down because of something I cannot control get the best of me, I would have thrown myself out a window by now.
It hurts being made fun of for something that is not your choice, and I feel that. When that whole anti-France thing went around my entire town (people said freedom fries instead of french fries - UGH how stupid), some kids found out that my ancestors were French and they actually egged our house and my dad's van. I don't consider myself French, though I will eat their food until I'm blue in the face... *smile* but you see where I'm getting at. Our house wasn't the only one that was hit, either. Now people may understand why I wanted to move out of that place as soon as I was able.
Yes, the n-word causes hurt. There are other words that cause hurt to other races, too. But do you see the Jewish guy next door gettin' all upset over someone making fun of him? What about the Germans being called Krauts? All of these words hurt, too. And if you can't say the n-word, you shouldn't be able to say any negative racial slur, either. It should be treated all or nothing, or wait... there goes freedom of speech right there with just this. That's why I just say to let it slip right off your back and just smile. If someone is so angry on the inside that they will call you names like that, then this person needs education and understanding - and that's just what I feel on the entire subject.
