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THE ISRAELI PALESTINIAN CONFLICT.
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ZPE
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Closeauthor=Fallen-Griever link=topic=2869.msg55517#msg55517 date=1231762810
Israel isn't suffering as many civilian casualties because Hamas has vastly inferior weapons, not because Hamas aren't trying to kill civilians. If Hamas had greater firepower then the total number of deaths on both sides would most likely be equal, and in terms of civilians Israel would've definately come off worse.
How the hell do you know this? The only assumptions you've made is that Hamas is barbaric and will kill anything that moves much like what Israel is doing right now.
author=Fallen-Griever link=topic=2869.msg55517#msg55517 date=1231762810
Besides, where Hamas targets civilians indescriminately, Israel is attempting to attack military objectives only and are trying to avoid civilian casualties. In an area as densely populated as Gaza, though, it is always going to be hard to avoid civilian casualties, especially when Hamas is intent on using the civilian population as a human shield. The full extent of this problem is only seen when you see videos of Israeli pilots having to redirect missiles whilst they are in-flight because their Hamas targets have purposely driven their vehicles towards groups of civilians or towards civilian buildings.
Yes videos the IDF issue for propaganda, why won't they release some of their more vicious attacks on cilivians? Maybe you should start explain why they hit a UN school even when they had the GPS co-ordinates for them? It's easy to just say Hamas is using human shields but were they hiding in a school? I very much doubt that judging by what came out of the UN.
Anyway, the UN are hopeless. If America say no to the rest of the world then that goes (eg. Iraq war).
I can't say who's right and wrong as that's just stupid. None of us are in that climate so you're all just picking off things from the corrupt media.
How the hell do you know this? The only assumptions you've made is that Hamas is barbaric and will kill anything that moves much like what Israel is doing right now.
To be fair I am positive that I have read from numerous sources (and Hamas themselves) that Hamas won't stop until Israel is completely and totally annihilated.
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author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=2869.msg55887#msg55887 date=1231872735How the hell do you know this? The only assumptions you've made is that Hamas is barbaric and will kill anything that moves much like what Israel is doing right now.
To be fair I am positive that I have read from numerous sources (and Hamas themselves) that Hamas won't stop until Israel is completely and totally annihilated.
Yes so have many other countries around that region, Israel are obviously in the worse possible place in the world for them. Even if Hamas said that, why did they get democratically voted over there in the first place. Probably because most of the people there felt there were no other options (Fatah is just weak and will roll over to Israel's policies). Perhaps that's why they're getting massacred right now, in the mind set of IDF that's probably justifiable.
G-Flex
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author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=2869.msg55887#msg55887 date=1231872735How the hell do you know this? The only assumptions you've made is that Hamas is barbaric and will kill anything that moves much like what Israel is doing right now.
To be fair I am positive that I have read from numerous sources (and Hamas themselves) that Hamas won't stop until Israel is completely and totally annihilated.
Yes, but it's not like they're actually ACCOMPLISHING the job.
There's certainly a problem with your next-door neighbor saying they want to annihilate you from the face of the planet, but that doesn't mean you carpet-bomb their house and kill half their kids for it, especially if all they're managing to throw at you is half-pointed sticks.
I can't wait till someone does the whole Godwin's Law thing.
Because man is it getting dangerously close.
Because man is it getting dangerously close.
author=Karsuman link=topic=2869.msg55965#msg55965 date=1231889838Yatzee!
I can't wait till someone does the whole Godwin's Law thing.
Because man is it getting dangerously close.
No..wait...I got that wrong.
I've been trying to avoid all talk about this conflict both on and off the internet but
I'm just inclined to believe that the Israeli government's a bunch of really cruel monstrous shitheads and Hamas has no other option but to fight back at this rate, no matter what their intentions were beforehand. Thanks US for stalling, thanks UN for being useless, etc. etc.
I don't see how one justifies killing 800 people anyway.
EDIT: It's real easy to adopt the whole "heh it's war. people die." idea when you just ignore the effect peoples' deaths have on those around them, as well as all the lost opportunities. Yes, this is war, but it's really fucking horrible and we should all make an effort to put a stop to it. Screw human nature.
I'm just inclined to believe that the Israeli government's a bunch of really cruel monstrous shitheads and Hamas has no other option but to fight back at this rate, no matter what their intentions were beforehand. Thanks US for stalling, thanks UN for being useless, etc. etc.
I don't see how one justifies killing 800 people anyway.
EDIT: It's real easy to adopt the whole "heh it's war. people die." idea when you just ignore the effect peoples' deaths have on those around them, as well as all the lost opportunities. Yes, this is war, but it's really fucking horrible and we should all make an effort to put a stop to it. Screw human nature.
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author=Yellow Magic link=topic=2869.msg56121#msg56121 date=1231949409
I'm just inclined to believe that the Israeli government's a bunch of really cruel monstrous shitheads and Hamas has no other option but to fight back at this rate, no matter what their intentions were beforehand. Thanks US for stalling, thanks UN for being useless, etc. etc.
Hamas sanctions and engages in tons of terrorist acts too. I think they are both cruel and monstrous shitheads. Rather than persuing peace or like . . . surrendering . . . they prefer to fire rockets at completely random targets in Israel. They do not care where the rockets land. They are not targeting Israeli military but Israel in general, which means they are targeting civilians. This is an act of terrorism, and not war.
To be fair Israel has goaded them into this and is completely at fault that the whole thing ever started.
It's not an assumption. Hamas' stated aim is to destroy the state of Israel and that is barbaric. At least when Israel launches attacks it aims for military targets, Hamas just aims for towns. If they were using real rockets and not sugar-powered toys then the civilian death toll on the Israeli side would be massive.
I also don't understand these hypothetical arguments. "What if...Hamas had all the power in the world...?" That would never happen, obviously, because they are a Muslim extremist group, so the very idea of them having weaponry that surpassed or even rivaled Israel's army is absurd at best.
Don't get me wrong; I still think Hamas are equally bad when it comes to motive, but look at this realistically; who's more at fault: the ones who are mostly talk, little or lame action (hello Hamas) or those who carry out extreme human rights violations with an unfair amount of force (sup Israel)?
Honestly, 1001 people killed and 4631 injured....it's horrifying.
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Nuke 'em all, problem solved.
I also support the "nuke 'em all" suggestion.
I can't believe some of you guys can make jokes about such things, the fuck?
author=Yellow Magic link=topic=2869.msg56130#msg56130 date=1231955335
EDIT:Nuke 'em all, problem solved.I also support the "nuke 'em all" suggestion.
I can't believe some of you guys can make jokes about such things, the fuck?
Lighten up, Francis. And to be honest, I was only half-joking.
Okay.
When you said "Nuke 'em all", who did you mean by 'em'? And why do you suggest that? Which part of "nuke 'em all" was a joke?
When you said "Nuke 'em all", who did you mean by 'em'? And why do you suggest that? Which part of "nuke 'em all" was a joke?
author=Yellow Magic link=topic=2869.msg56193#msg56193 date=1231971631
Okay.
When you said "Nuke 'em all", who did you mean by 'em'? And why do you suggest that? Which part of "nuke 'em all" was a joke?
The "problem solved" part.
G-Flex
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Way to dodge most of the question. All you've admitted so far is that you don't think it would actually solve the problem, but that you want to do it anyway.
I'm just trolling you suckas. In all honesty I really don't care if the entire middle east collapsed upon itself and left a giant portrait of Al Jolson in it's wake. There will never be peace there and the sooner they wipe each other out the better.
author=Masamune link=topic=2869.msg56207#msg56207 date=1231975434
In all honesty I really don't care if the entire middle east collapsed upon itself and left a giant portrait of Al Jolson in it's wake. There will never be peace there and the sooner they wipe each other out the better.
Hey, that's how I feel about it all. As long as they stay over on their side of the ocean, I'm happy.
I suppose its not. I mean every war affects all people of the world in some way, or at least nearly all of them.
Hm, although I would like to agree withe "nuke em" solution, it really wouldn't be solving the problems just creating a whole slew of new ones. How would the other countries respond to this "solution". We would be seen as the barbaric ones, and I really don't like the fact of a nuclear weapon use. What would happen if this retaliated in a nuclear war, if a nuclear war would begin then we probably have to kiss our asses goodbye. We can't solve the problems by "blowing them up".
