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DOWNLOADING MUSIC ILLEGALLY
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Relyt
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CloseI think Weird Al perfectly portrays this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg&NR=1
While he's parodying it, I really feel that downloading music is RETARDED. Think about it. Say I plan on becoming a recording artist. I make money off of:
a)Playing Concerts
b)Selling Albums
See what I mean? There goes the majority of my money, meaning that I no longer have the money to go travel to play the concerts. Eventually (and this is a stretch, I know) people could very well wise up, and everybody will illegally download music. THEN WHERE WILL ARTISTS GET THEIR MONEY!? Eventually, artists will have to quit their profession, leaving less musical variety, which would SUCK.
Anyways, rant over, what's your opinion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg&NR=1
While he's parodying it, I really feel that downloading music is RETARDED. Think about it. Say I plan on becoming a recording artist. I make money off of:
a)Playing Concerts
b)
See what I mean? There goes the majority of my money, meaning that I no longer have the money to go travel to play the concerts. Eventually (and this is a stretch, I know) people could very well wise up, and everybody will illegally download music. THEN WHERE WILL ARTISTS GET THEIR MONEY!? Eventually, artists will have to quit their profession, leaving less musical variety, which would SUCK.
Anyways, rant over, what's your opinion?
Actually, compared to their other means of revenue, I am to understand that selling albums don't really account for much of a musicians revenue at all.
Anywho, I download music, but compared to say, movies, where I download incessantly, I'll actually buy an artists CD if I really like their shit. I don't really have an 'excuse' for why I participate in piracy, so oh well, I guess. Everyone has their vice.
Anywho, I download music, but compared to say, movies, where I download incessantly, I'll actually buy an artists CD if I really like their shit. I don't really have an 'excuse' for why I participate in piracy, so oh well, I guess. Everyone has their vice.
I think illegally downloading music is terrible now when there has been much progress in the way of cheap catalogs of music available only, especially with more and more of it becoming drm free.
However, don't pretend that record sales turns into financial success for most artists. They sadly only get a fraction of the end profit, though I understand the studios are also footing huge bills for the production, marketing and distribution of the music and thus deserve a sustantial portion of the proceeds. Unfortunately I think our current system is a little to skewed towards the studios at the expense of the artists.
However, don't pretend that record sales turns into financial success for most artists. They sadly only get a fraction of the end profit, though I understand the studios are also footing huge bills for the production, marketing and distribution of the music and thus deserve a sustantial portion of the proceeds. Unfortunately I think our current system is a little to skewed towards the studios at the expense of the artists.
Relyt
1242
I apologize. I was kinda ranting there. I had always assumed that musicians made the majority of their money from making albums. I guess I'm wrong.
ANYBODY ELSE?
ANYBODY ELSE?
Don't get me wrong, I would love to earn myself what they do selling records, but it just isn't nearly what they bring home from concerts and endorsements. :)
Shinan
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See what I mean? There goes the majority of my money, THEN WHERE WILL ARTISTS GET THEIR MONEY!? Eventually, artists will have to quit their profession, leaving less musical variety, which would SUCK.Oh yeah. I wonder how artists survived, you know, BEFORE there were records? The record industry is actually pretty young and there were artists before that. At least I think there were artists before that.
In fact if the stuff I've heard is correct backinthedays it was the opposite. "People are getting these records! No one wants to listen to me play live anymore. There goes the majority of my money. WHERE WILL ARTISTS GET THEIR MONEY!?" I believe there was even a huge uproar back then about this very thing.
And to be honest. If you're just starting out people generally don't download your stuff illegally. Not because you suck (which you may do) but because people just don't know about you. In fact once you get a bunch of downloads you know you're doing good because people are actually listening to you.
Of course as a beginning artist today I'd suggest not even leaving the ILLEGAL DOWNLOAD venue open. Instead release a lot of material for free (Creative Commons possibly?) to get listeners and reputation and eventually people who come to your gigs.
The only people who really worry about music piracy are the ones that already are known enough that they have pirates pirating their music. And crappy internet electronica artists in their basement that don't really know how to play music and couldn't perform live if their lives depended on it.
Man, this is going to sound cliche, but the landscape has changed...again.
Like Shinan alluded to, the means of distribution has changed (again). Actually, it has grown. So now, instead of just having gigs and concerts, and then having gigs and concerts and records, artist now have gigs and concerts and records and the internet.
The entire industry will be adapt, and already is. With so many outlets now, artists will probably be better off in the end
Like Shinan alluded to, the means of distribution has changed (again). Actually, it has grown. So now, instead of just having gigs and concerts, and then having gigs and concerts and records, artist now have gigs and concerts and records and the internet.
The entire industry will be adapt, and already is. With so many outlets now, artists will probably be better off in the end
Yeaster
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I only download songs illegally when I can't find it on itunes, but since I've been employed, I've stopped using LimeWire.
Trying to help the cause anyway I can.
Trying to help the cause anyway I can.
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=3574.msg71917#msg71917 date=1240454172Only if you're a superband with a major record label I'm afraid. The less popular groups are obviously going to rely a lot more on royalties from album sales. Unless you're just starting out/are a small cover band.
Actually, compared to their other means of revenue, I am to understand that selling albums don't really account for much of a musicians revenue at all.
Blitzen
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Merch, its all about the merch. You move merch, you are in the zone. That 25 dollar tshirt you bought at the concert was marked up %500, and the band gets all of it if they funded the printing themselves. Those $2 buttons are worth pennies. Artists are becoming more and more dependant on moving merch.
I hate to see you guys say that musicians don't get a big cut of record sales, or that it is not a source of income, because there are a lot of bands on smaller or independent lables, whose major income is, as it was mentioned, touring and record sales. If you're not a part of the corperate conglomeration (in which everyone makes money anyways) the fact that someone can get your music for free can be a real detriment to your income. Case studies: Any band on Nitro Records. You used to be able to tour for three months, take three months, off, tour another three months, and then go back and cut an album. Now indy bands are tourning nine/ten months out of the year just to make enough of a living so that there is something left to cut an album with.
Still, its a sort of 'vote-with-your-money' kind of thing when it comes to buying music. If you pay for an album (NOT on resale, none of that goes to be band) then you are making an active contribution to supporting thier art. I do this and consider it the best thing I can do to keep the music that I like round aside from actually GIVING the band money (which I have also done.)
I hate to see you guys say that musicians don't get a big cut of record sales, or that it is not a source of income, because there are a lot of bands on smaller or independent lables, whose major income is, as it was mentioned, touring and record sales. If you're not a part of the corperate conglomeration (in which everyone makes money anyways) the fact that someone can get your music for free can be a real detriment to your income. Case studies: Any band on Nitro Records. You used to be able to tour for three months, take three months, off, tour another three months, and then go back and cut an album. Now indy bands are tourning nine/ten months out of the year just to make enough of a living so that there is something left to cut an album with.
Still, its a sort of 'vote-with-your-money' kind of thing when it comes to buying music. If you pay for an album (NOT on resale, none of that goes to be band) then you are making an active contribution to supporting thier art. I do this and consider it the best thing I can do to keep the music that I like round aside from actually GIVING the band money (which I have also done.)
Mr. Y
300
I love stealing music off the Internetz, yo :-[.
I consider myself a very ethical person, actually. My argument for why it's okay for my to download is pretty simple:
a) I have no money to buy the music, as I'm on college loans and too busy with classes for a real job, and no, my parents aren't loaded with the dollah dollah billz.
b) Listening to the music I download is good for me in multiple ways- it makes me feel creative, it helps me be productive, it makes me a more interesting (better) person, etc.
c) So, I should download the music, but not try to provide it to others unless they're in similar circumstances. If my circumstances change and I can afford the music, then I must delete my stolen music and buy it legally.
I already hate the idea of deleting all of my music when I start an actual career, but them's the breaks I guess.
I dislike it when others claim that downloading music illegally is simply stealing and is black-and-white wrong. I understand if someone wants to make an argument about the ethics of breaking the law or of taking a little bit of the music industry's money (since, if I wasn't downloading illegally, I could probably get a few albums a year), but I think that mine is a fair starting argument for why stealing the music may be considered okay.
Incidentally, I have to buy all my Christian music with dollars, either because all the Christians are too good for torrenting or the music is too fugly for most ears :D.
I consider myself a very ethical person, actually. My argument for why it's okay for my to download is pretty simple:
a) I have no money to buy the music, as I'm on college loans and too busy with classes for a real job, and no, my parents aren't loaded with the dollah dollah billz.
b) Listening to the music I download is good for me in multiple ways- it makes me feel creative, it helps me be productive, it makes me a more interesting (better) person, etc.
c) So, I should download the music, but not try to provide it to others unless they're in similar circumstances. If my circumstances change and I can afford the music, then I must delete my stolen music and buy it legally.
I already hate the idea of deleting all of my music when I start an actual career, but them's the breaks I guess.
I dislike it when others claim that downloading music illegally is simply stealing and is black-and-white wrong. I understand if someone wants to make an argument about the ethics of breaking the law or of taking a little bit of the music industry's money (since, if I wasn't downloading illegally, I could probably get a few albums a year), but I think that mine is a fair starting argument for why stealing the music may be considered okay.
Incidentally, I have to buy all my Christian music with dollars, either because all the Christians are too good for torrenting or the music is too fugly for most ears :D.
Relyt
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author=Mr. Y link=topic=3574.msg72395#msg72395 date=1240774587
Incidentally, I have to buy all my Christian music with dollars, either because all the Christians are too good for torrenting or the music is too fugly for most ears :D.
I resent that. >:( There's TONS of good christian music out there!
author=Yeaster link=topic=3574.msg72011#msg72011 date=1240507244
I only download songs illegally when I can't find it on itunes
...And I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
"If you liked what you heard, download our music off the internets, because FUCK OUR RECORD LABEL!"
Closing comment from the front-man of Streetlight Manifesto at a concert I attended recently and also exactly how I feel about this issue.
1. For small bands, getting on Limewire only helps improve their buzz. That's why they give their music away for free on myspace.
2. Large bands don't need any more money; fuck 'em.
3. All bands lose 90% of proceeds to record labels anyway. So you're not stealing from musicians, you're stealing from record labels.
In conclusion:
Y'arrgh, motherfuckers, I'm a pirate.
"Don't take away money from artists just like me, how else can I afford another solid gold humvee and diamond studded swimming pools, these things don't grow on trees, so all I ask is everbody, please, don't download this song".
From the song you posted, btw.
Closing comment from the front-man of Streetlight Manifesto at a concert I attended recently and also exactly how I feel about this issue.
1. For small bands, getting on Limewire only helps improve their buzz. That's why they give their music away for free on myspace.
2. Large bands don't need any more money; fuck 'em.
3. All bands lose 90% of proceeds to record labels anyway. So you're not stealing from musicians, you're stealing from record labels.
In conclusion:
Y'arrgh, motherfuckers, I'm a pirate.
"Don't take away money from artists just like me, how else can I afford another solid gold humvee and diamond studded swimming pools, these things don't grow on trees, so all I ask is everbody, please, don't download this song".
From the song you posted, btw.
author=Relyt link=topic=3574.msg71915#msg71915 date=1240453872
While he's parodying it, I really feel that downloading music is RETARDED. Think about it. Say I plan on becoming a recording artist. I make money off of:
a)Playing Concerts
b)Selling Albums
Concerts can make you an absurd amount of money providing you budget the tour properly (i.e. make sure the entire staff isn't staying in 5 star hotels, don't blow half your money on a single lighting rig, etc).
Mr. Y
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author=Relyt link=topic=3574.msg72468#msg72468 date=1240802900author=Mr. Y link=topic=3574.msg72395#msg72395 date=1240774587
Incidentally, I have to buy all my Christian music with dollars, either because all the Christians are too good for torrenting or the music is too fugly for most ears :D.
I resent that. >:( There's TONS of good christian music out there!
I refuse to believe you until you start torrenting all of your Christian music so that I can steal it. If you're not a big fibbing fibberty-fibber then you had better prove your honor by enabling my deceitful actions. Ho ho ho.
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