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demondestiny
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CloseI know that this maybe a very boring topic to people but i want to know what everyones views are on Politics. Do you follow politics? Are you that kind of person? Is it the most boringest piece of shit to ever hit this world? If so then please share your thoughts.
Mewd
1501
Politics can be a very touchy subject, so tred lightly.
Personally, I don't have the energy to bother with politics. This upsets people I know who are more passionately opinionated. They feel I am obligated to participate simply by virtue of being alive.
Most of it just seems like childish power games to me, an overwhelming amount of BS and petty infighting. If I bothered with politics I would need to thoroughly study both sides of every argument, objectively keep up with the latest news and effectively and civilly debate. I feel that taking a knee-jerk political stance is worse than simply not participating. Frankly, my life is enough of a mess without worrying about how to fix the world at large. So I do not normally participate in political matters.
Somebody has to wade through it, though. If you can keep up with everything, without becoming jaded and remaining objective and managing to remain pure to your views: I salute you.
Personally, I don't have the energy to bother with politics. This upsets people I know who are more passionately opinionated. They feel I am obligated to participate simply by virtue of being alive.
Most of it just seems like childish power games to me, an overwhelming amount of BS and petty infighting. If I bothered with politics I would need to thoroughly study both sides of every argument, objectively keep up with the latest news and effectively and civilly debate. I feel that taking a knee-jerk political stance is worse than simply not participating. Frankly, my life is enough of a mess without worrying about how to fix the world at large. So I do not normally participate in political matters.
Somebody has to wade through it, though. If you can keep up with everything, without becoming jaded and remaining objective and managing to remain pure to your views: I salute you.
Euphorian
80
I'm an anarchist, so politics tend to get me angry/depressed/asleep/some combination of the three
Melch
0
Calling someone stupid....aren't there rules against that?
Such anarchy...
(that's meant to be a joke)
Such anarchy...
(that's meant to be a joke)
Euphorian
80
Wouldn't it only have begun if there were actual reasons behind calling people stupid?
Otherwise it's just immature/jokes/immature jokes.
So we're all good, and nothing has begun.
Effiencyist... But then don't you have to say what's most efficient? And in order to do that, you have to have a set goal, right? So what is the goal?
Otherwise it's just immature/jokes/immature jokes.
So we're all good, and nothing has begun.
Effiencyist... But then don't you have to say what's most efficient? And in order to do that, you have to have a set goal, right? So what is the goal?
It's a bit vague, but I guess you could describe it as the best benefit for society for the least cost. A blend of (mostly) capitalist ideas and socialist ideas. Efficiency is a core ideal of most modern societies anyway, even if it is not explicitly stated.
I am not against big government, nor do I believe that they are inherently inefficient. Both corporations and governments get things done by assigning people tasks and then holding them accountable for the proper execution of the job (<--- as an aside, this is why I think most unions suck. They remove accountability at the job level). Anywho, markets are really nice when they work, but sometimes it is just not possible to have a market that works right (this is especially true when dealing with "markets" without an inherant quantitative value, like education, health care and the environment to name a few. Capitalistizing the environment with Green/Carbon Credits won't work - just regulate it heavily using governments. It's the only viable solution). There is no hard and fast distinction between privately supplied and publicly supplied goods and services - we should be choosing the one that costs less (in both monetary and societal costs).
Choosing the efficient solution is a natural choice for us - I just choose to acknowledge my base motivations in my politics.
I am not against big government, nor do I believe that they are inherently inefficient. Both corporations and governments get things done by assigning people tasks and then holding them accountable for the proper execution of the job (<--- as an aside, this is why I think most unions suck. They remove accountability at the job level). Anywho, markets are really nice when they work, but sometimes it is just not possible to have a market that works right (this is especially true when dealing with "markets" without an inherant quantitative value, like education, health care and the environment to name a few. Capitalistizing the environment with Green/Carbon Credits won't work - just regulate it heavily using governments. It's the only viable solution). There is no hard and fast distinction between privately supplied and publicly supplied goods and services - we should be choosing the one that costs less (in both monetary and societal costs).
Choosing the efficient solution is a natural choice for us - I just choose to acknowledge my base motivations in my politics.
Euphorian
80
So, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that just an overly complicated way of stating the obvious, you do what's best?
But I guess that's what I asked for.
I was kinda assuming you were talking about efficient for a greater purpose than just serving the everyday life. Oh well
But I guess that's what I asked for.
I was kinda assuming you were talking about efficient for a greater purpose than just serving the everyday life. Oh well
demondestiny
889
Before i say my views on Politics i want to warn everyone that i am a person that speaks his mind. If i tend to hurt anyone's feelings whilst saying these things than i am trully sorry.
I am an anarchist as well and feel that Politics is a load of shit. What annoys me is when the people you vote for don't stick to there views and lie to you.
That is all.
I am an anarchist as well and feel that Politics is a load of shit. What annoys me is when the people you vote for don't stick to there views and lie to you.
That is all.
I lose a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who claims to be an anarchist (especially when they're 15 and have no idea how the world works). However, it's a pretty vague term so maybe you guys aren't as crazy as the other 99.9% of anarchists.
However, I think it's entirely normal in the western world to be apathetic to government these days, especially when you have 24 hour cable news networks that have nothing better to do than bash the government all day. But to advocate the destruction of the government? That's crazy talk.
However, I think it's entirely normal in the western world to be apathetic to government these days, especially when you have 24 hour cable news networks that have nothing better to do than bash the government all day. But to advocate the destruction of the government? That's crazy talk.
It's the 99% of anarchists that give the other 1% a bad name. Free markets like we have now are not a natural state of affairs.
Euphorian
80
I'm an idealist, a romanticist, and though, I know it can never actually happen, I move for it anyway
Peaceful anarchy where there's no need for rules and regulations, etc, where people share and don't need to be motivated by money to work, help and do so, and where it is not always just survival of the fittest, the strongest, where people are allowed by society to freely express themselves without fear of judgment...
It's all very ridiculous I'm aware, and I'm not quite sure how to explain it right as it is my mind.
I'll leave it at my own silly ideals.
Peaceful anarchy where there's no need for rules and regulations, etc, where people share and don't need to be motivated by money to work, help and do so, and where it is not always just survival of the fittest, the strongest, where people are allowed by society to freely express themselves without fear of judgment...
It's all very ridiculous I'm aware, and I'm not quite sure how to explain it right as it is my mind.
I'll leave it at my own silly ideals.
author=kentona link=topic=368.msg4749#msg4749 date=1194239639
It's the 99% of anarchists that give the other 1% a bad name. Free markets like we have now are not a natural state of affairs.
There is not much about human civilization that could be described as natural. It's punishment for being relatively intelligent.
author=Euphorian link=topic=368.msg4752#msg4752 date=1194240025
I'm an idealist, a romanticist, and though, I know it can never actually happen, I move for it anyway
Peaceful anarchy where there's no need for rules and regulations, etc, where people share and don't need to be motivated by money to work, help and do so, and where it is not always just survival of the fittest, the strongest, where people are allowed by society to freely express themselves without fear of judgment...
You're aware that in anarchy the only thing there would be is survival of the fittest? Everything you're begging for can only be protected by a rational government. Without one, there is no one stopping the neighborhood bully from kicking your ass and shutting up the expressions you hold so dear.
demondestiny
889
author=Euphorian link=topic=368.msg4752#msg4752 date=1194240025
I'm an idealist, a romanticist, and though, I know it can never actually happen, I move for it anyway
Peaceful anarchy where there's no need for rules and regulations, etc, where people share and don't need to be motivated by money to work, help and do so, and where it is not always just survival of the fittest, the strongest, where people are allowed by society to freely express themselves without fear of judgment...
It's all very ridiculous I'm aware, and I'm not quite sure how to explain it right as it is my mind.
I'll leave it at my own silly ideals.
You seem to be a very firm believer in anarchy. I may be one as well but i mainly just dislike the government and it's ways it has on the people. But then again, i had been brought up in a family of anarchists.
Gadreel
4
Politics are for the weak to govern the strong. The day Chuck Norris becomes president is the day we will all truly be free. On that day, politics will not become for the weak or weak. Politics will become CHUCK NORRIS. CHUCK NORRIS will then appoint Holbert as president of the United States as his right hand man because only Holbert can look into the eyes of Chuck Norris and not perish and for this, Chuck Norris regards Holbert as an entity worthy of such a task.
Holbert will then save the US from the world and, with the grace of Chuck Norris' loins, Holbert will smite the wrongs and become the ruler of the earth as Chuck Norris flies into space to devour worlds.
Holbert will then save the US from the world and, with the grace of Chuck Norris' loins, Holbert will smite the wrongs and become the ruler of the earth as Chuck Norris flies into space to devour worlds.
Also, I will make a pre-emptive attack on the aliens who are plotting to use WMDs on our great nation!
author=demondestiny link=topic=368.msg4757#msg4757 date=1194241022You were brought up in a family of anarchists, eh? A real anarchist wouldn't waste time raising a family.
I may be one as well but i mainly just dislike the government and it's ways it has on the people. But then again, i had been brought up in a family of anarchists.
The problem with anarchy is that it cannot and never will work. The perfect political system would be some flavor of socialism, but then you enter the real problem with politics: people. People are dumb, manipulative, deceitful, and will do whatever they can to save themselves. That's why anarchy won't work and is just a fart in the wind for those who understand how people work.
Gadreel
4
author=WIP link=topic=368.msg4761#msg4761 date=1194242452author=demondestiny link=topic=368.msg4757#msg4757 date=1194241022You were brought up in a family of anarchists, eh? A real anarchist wouldn't waste time raising a family.
I may be one as well but i mainly just dislike the government and it's ways it has on the people. But then again, i had been brought up in a family of anarchists.
The problem with anarchy is that it cannot and never will work. The perfect political system would be some flavor of socialism, but then you enter the real problem with politics: people. People are dumb, manipulative, deceitful, and will do whatever they can to save themselves. That's why anarchy won't work and is just a fart in the wind for those who understand how people work.
Exactly. That's why Chuck Norris and Holbert's TITANIUM GAUNTLET RULE will make sure stupid people stay stupid and controlled in a happy environment!
