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IRAN: SHIT'S GETTIN' REAL
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CloseI'm not sure how many of you follow international news but you may have heard about the elections in Iran recently. Because redundancy sucks, here is the post from somewhere else I am discussing this;
http://www.eu2009.cz/en/news-and-documents/cfsp-statements/eu-presidency-statement-concerning-the-iranian-presidential-elections--12-june-2009-25213/
http://twitter.com/persiankiwi
It's good to see the people rise up against oppression, but things in Iran are getting very, very ugly really fast.
There was an election in Iran. Polls beforehand showed Mousavi, the moderate candidate, competing fairly evenly with Ahmadinejad, the conservative candidate. While Ahmadenejad was ahead, he was in the high 30s, low 40s range. In Iran, if no one candidate gets more than 50% of the electorate it goes to a runoff election. Election night came, and suddenly there was a media blackout before the results were given. Government says that Ahmadinejad won with almost exactly 2/3rds of the vote. Massive outcries from Mousavi supporters who are very angry, especially with the disparity between every single poll and the actual results. There were then allegations of rigging the elections.
Tehran is fucking crazy right now. Fires burning everywhere, cars blocking the streets, police beating protestors, now shots have been fired. Tens of thousands got on the roofs and shouted "Allah o ackbar", the same cry that was used during the iranian revolution 30 years ago, to the point where it could be heard all over the city. Tehran is about the size of Chicago.
Many people, including now those within the government are saying that Ahmadinejad taking power is a coup. Many countries have come out saying they doubt the results, including most prominently the EU. This could be a full-blown revolution in Iran.
http://www.eu2009.cz/en/news-and-documents/cfsp-statements/eu-presidency-statement-concerning-the-iranian-presidential-elections--12-june-2009-25213/
http://twitter.com/persiankiwi
It's good to see the people rise up against oppression, but things in Iran are getting very, very ugly really fast.
Be aware that we can't get the full story because news coverage is being blocked. Even the most mainstream agency in that corner of the world, Al-jazeera, isn't being given access. For now, amusingly, the best source of information is Twitter.
I read about this - at least early reports. It sounds like a rigged election to me. I am curious as to how this will all play out in the end.
Izazie
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author=Fallen-Griever link=topic=4003.msg80626#msg80626 date=1245025192That's it, exactly. As long as Ayatollahs in general (and Khamenei right now) are all-powerful, even a reformist like Musavi would be powerless...if there was even a slight chance for him to be elected, that is.
To be honest, it doesn't matter who is in power because they will never have complete power the way Iran is set up - the real power is in the hands of a man who can't be removed through elections. Unless the Iranian(?) people are going to rise up aganst the Ayatollah nothing is really going to change, and I can't see that happening.
After Ahmadinedjad was re-elected, Khamenei declared that this victory was a "divine result". When Musavi protested because of the frauds during the elections, Khamenei told him to ask for an investigation...by the Guardians of the Constitution! (6 clerics, 6 lawyers.) Now guess what the decision will be...
Any protest demonstration is violently repressed by the security forces, who "have already issued stark warnings against unrest or any threat to the Islamic regime."...and doesn't seem to pay attention to the pro-Ahmadinedjad civilians patrolling the city on their bikes and cudgelling any Musavi supporter they can meet...
author=Jude link=topic=4003.msg80708#msg80708 date=1245067464more likely john simpson STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROTESTERS
Be aware that we can't get the full story because news coverage is being blocked. Even the most mainstream agency in that corner of the world, Al-jazeera, isn't being given access. For now, amusingly, the best source of information is Twitter.
author=Fallen-Griever link=topic=4003.msg80626#msg80626 date=1245025192This is very very very true and the number of people who don't know this is astounding.
To be honest, it doesn't matter who is in power because they will never have complete power the way Iran is set up - the real power is in the hands of a man who can't be removed through elections. Unless the Iranian(?) people are going to rise up aganst the Ayatollah nothing is really going to change, and I can't see that happening.
man the system of supreme leaders has been around since '79, how do people not know by now? damn it there was even the hilarious and illogical ayatollah khomeini how does this not stick in the mind ??
Cop Killa
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There are lots of other voting irregularities, such as the main opposition leader not getting the majority in his own hometown (especially since Iranian voting patterns follow ethnic lines a lot) and the guy who placed third (fourth?) got about 16% less than he did the last time he was up for election, which is pretty unprecedented in any democracy.
I don't follow Iran as much as I should but I was sure that Ahmadinejad was going to lose the election, it was pretty well known that his popularity was waning.
I don't follow Iran as much as I should but I was sure that Ahmadinejad was going to lose the election, it was pretty well known that his popularity was waning.
Theocracies are incredibly hard to dislodge. I mean, look at George Bush Jr. He was in for the maximum 2 terms!
Cop Killa
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Please don't equate "theocracy" with "country that enshrines secularism in its Constitution and occasionally has problems sticking to it". Lame.
Cop Killa
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Fair enough.
Also apparently 40 million votes were hand-counted in Iran in only 2 hours - does anyone know if this is the official version of the story?
Also apparently 40 million votes were hand-counted in Iran in only 2 hours - does anyone know if this is the official version of the story?
