OVERSEXUALIZATION OF FEMALES IN GAMES
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post=99744
Maybe it does... man it must suck living in burbank i guess.
Not very much to me. I kind of like it here. I sure as hell wouldn't want to buy my own home here, that's for sure. D:
More has been made of this topic than there should be. Men and women have more common points than you might think, so you should write them in a more or less identical manner. People are people, after all.
post=99826
More has been made of this topic than there should be. Men and women have more common points than you might think, so you should write them in a more or less identical manner. People are people, after all.
Do you live in a basement and never leave it? Do you talk to anybody?
Talking to yourself doesn't count.
I don't know about you two but men and women talk much like people to me. Especially since they use words and grammar (to some degree).
ARF! ARF!
Honestly though, everyone talks different regardless of gender and it's kind of bad when every single character in a game talks like every other character.
ARF! ARF!
Honestly though, everyone talks different regardless of gender and it's kind of bad when every single character in a game talks like every other character.
Women and men share different cultures which in turn influence language, manner of speech, mannerisms, and actions.
Pretending men and women are exactly alike is more ignorant and sexist than portraying one better than the other.
Pretending men and women are exactly alike is more ignorant and sexist than portraying one better than the other.
You guys seen Mr. Big T's games?
post=100029
Women and men share different cultures which in turn influence language, manner of speech, mannerisms, and actions.
Pretending men and women are exactly alike is more ignorant and sexist than portraying one better than the other.
I disagree.
In my experience, gender isn't the biggest factor in how people act, although it is often a decent chunk of it.
If you don't think you have a solid grasp on how a gender/race/class/etc generally acts in RL, though, it's probably better to assume like they act like anyone else, because, say, a very masculine-seeming woman you base off of your knowledge of men is likely going to be more interesting and more realistic than a stereotype of women you have.
You're disagreeing with 'Women and men share different cultures which in turn influence language, manner of speech, mannerisms, and actions.'?
Because they uh, do. I never said how big any particular factors are regarding it.
Because they uh, do. I never said how big any particular factors are regarding it.
No, disagreeing with 'pretending men and women are exactly alike is more ignorant and sexist than portraying one better than the other.'.
Should have just quoted the second sentence there for clarity.
Should have just quoted the second sentence there for clarity.
Perhaps that was a little extreme, but still, it's pretty stupid. Men and women AREN'T exactly alike, culturally, biologically, psychologically. Not TOTALLY DIFFERENT, but there are differences, and good writers recognize these. Equal and should be treated as such, but not exactly the same.
Oh, I agree that there's differences, totally.
But: if you don't know much about a gender acts, and you must include it in a game, you're better off writing it as something you do know, since women and men are usually closer to acting like each other than they are to acting like stereotypes of their gender.
In other words...
Pretending men and women are the same is useful when you lack sufficient data, although gaining more data is probably a better idea.
But: if you don't know much about a gender acts, and you must include it in a game, you're better off writing it as something you do know, since women and men are usually closer to acting like each other than they are to acting like stereotypes of their gender.
In other words...
Pretending men and women are the same is useful when you lack sufficient data, although gaining more data is probably a better idea.
I actually have already said it's almost purely cultural (clothes, language, etc.), but even then, it seems pretty homogeneous in the conversations people have passing through our transit center every day. I love to listen to conversations all the time of people from all cultures, races, genders, or whatever.
However, I've experienced many times over that your physical body is removed when you encounter someone on the internet and that their gender is very difficult to try and derive. You can use cultural differences to make yourself 'appear' as a specific gender- but you have to remember it only works on members of the culture you're attempting to appear to. There might be someone you think is a female over the internet and someone else might think they are a male.
Like I said, gender is there really just for genetic diversity- you can't have sex with yourself, and then reproduce. It forces you to find genetic information from someone else if you ever hope to reproduce. I strongly feel (i remind you, with an iron mind that's so thick you're not going to get through to me on this if you try to persuade me otherwise) is that either gender can do whatever they want and become what they want- for anyone it takes willpower. Especially to combat the cultural traditions of gender roles- that's kind of the issue that started this whole movement.
The most important thing to remember is that you're making a video game and you can ignore real life totally if you really want to. The only thing you really need to worry about is character diversity and to have everyone act different from each other. Don't write your dialog like every character in the game is talking like you do, that is something I found myself doing sometimes.
However, I've experienced many times over that your physical body is removed when you encounter someone on the internet and that their gender is very difficult to try and derive. You can use cultural differences to make yourself 'appear' as a specific gender- but you have to remember it only works on members of the culture you're attempting to appear to. There might be someone you think is a female over the internet and someone else might think they are a male.
Like I said, gender is there really just for genetic diversity- you can't have sex with yourself, and then reproduce. It forces you to find genetic information from someone else if you ever hope to reproduce. I strongly feel (i remind you, with an iron mind that's so thick you're not going to get through to me on this if you try to persuade me otherwise) is that either gender can do whatever they want and become what they want- for anyone it takes willpower. Especially to combat the cultural traditions of gender roles- that's kind of the issue that started this whole movement.
The most important thing to remember is that you're making a video game and you can ignore real life totally if you really want to. The only thing you really need to worry about is character diversity and to have everyone act different from each other. Don't write your dialog like every character in the game is talking like you do, that is something I found myself doing sometimes.
post=100056
Like I said, gender is there really just for genetic diversity- you can't have sex with yourself, and then reproduce.
...yikes. This sort of cold nihilism scares me.
Heehee ^^
Well. I'm not cold, I'm actually quite warm and feeling. I'm just very cynical and abstract. You're talking to someone who calls their own body a meat puppet and grateful I have a body at all. These things are pretty hard to come by, you know. You know, one of the Genome Clones from FFIX said that same line: "If we didn't have genders, we would lack the genetic diversity to survive".
I mean, you do at least enjoy eating good food and having sex, right? While we must eat food or we die, and that we can't reproduce on our own, it kind of makes it fun to enjoy the taste of food and to find someone else to make love to.
Of course, personally I would rather like the company and warmth of another person I like.
Well. I'm not cold, I'm actually quite warm and feeling. I'm just very cynical and abstract. You're talking to someone who calls their own body a meat puppet and grateful I have a body at all. These things are pretty hard to come by, you know. You know, one of the Genome Clones from FFIX said that same line: "If we didn't have genders, we would lack the genetic diversity to survive".
I mean, you do at least enjoy eating good food and having sex, right? While we must eat food or we die, and that we can't reproduce on our own, it kind of makes it fun to enjoy the taste of food and to find someone else to make love to.
Of course, personally I would rather like the company and warmth of another person I like.
Bikini-clad female characters usually turn me off a game. Not just because of feminist reasons but also because it breaks my suspension of disbelief - if you're going to fight, you want to cover your buttcheeks, tits and midriff with proper armor in order to save that nice skin from bruising. :P
But isn't the oversexualization of women in video games also demeaning as hell to men? I mean, apart from creepy fanboys are men really not bothered when game creators (or movie directors, or..) imply that they're stupid little animals easily led by their lower brains? Because slapping a cleavage on a game just for the heck of it really smells of that kind of thinking - men will play it regardless of the quality because look look, there's boobs on it!
But isn't the oversexualization of women in video games also demeaning as hell to men? I mean, apart from creepy fanboys are men really not bothered when game creators (or movie directors, or..) imply that they're stupid little animals easily led by their lower brains? Because slapping a cleavage on a game just for the heck of it really smells of that kind of thinking - men will play it regardless of the quality because look look, there's boobs on it!



















