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Wow, this is fucked, yeah? The entire concept of corporate debt and debtors prisons were done away with over 200 years ago. But now people are getting arrested and detained indefinitely for something that technically isn't a crime? While I don't agree with people borrowing money they can't pay back, there's definitely a double entente going on; people have actually gotten arrested for less than a hundred dollars worth of debt, but when major corporations owe several million, the government deems them 'too big to fail' and bails them out.
I read through this article and I thought it was the most appaling thing ever; normally I don't get passionate about political stuff like this, but I think this is seriously something that word needs to be spread around, hopefully some steps can be taken! What do you guys think?
Wow, this is fucked, yeah? The entire concept of corporate debt and debtors prisons were done away with over 200 years ago. But now people are getting arrested and detained indefinitely for something that technically isn't a crime? While I don't agree with people borrowing money they can't pay back, there's definitely a double entente going on; people have actually gotten arrested for less than a hundred dollars worth of debt, but when major corporations owe several million, the government deems them 'too big to fail' and bails them out.
I read through this article and I thought it was the most appaling thing ever; normally I don't get passionate about political stuff like this, but I think this is seriously something that word needs to be spread around, hopefully some steps can be taken! What do you guys think?
Lennon
88
Yeah, this is pretty unfair. I could sympathize with it if the people owed a load of money, or they repeatedly went into debt and didn't pay it... But a couple hundred dollars isn't a big enough offense to put someone in jail.
post=143799
Yeah, this is pretty unfair. I could sympathize with it if the people owed a load of money, or they repeatedly went into debt and didn't pay it... But a couple hundred dollars isn't a big enough offense to put someone in jail.
You shouldn't have to go to jail for owing money; period. Debtor's prison and going to jail for debt was deemed unconstitutional entirely hundreds of years ago. It's not illegal at all!
ZPE
1562
post=143803
wasn't the crime for missing a court hearing and not for the unpaid debts?
Indeed.
"Finally, after 16 hours in limbo, jail officials fingerprinted Uhlmeyer and explained her offense -- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt."
Misleading title.
Darken
3952
Hmm, what about the notion of people wanting to go to jail instead of homeless? I'm not defending the debt jail thing, but it's what a lot of people would do anyway in a crazy debt situation: get into jail on purpose.
deboo
85
look, they're not going to put you away for taking student loans otherwise they might as well imprison a quarter of the population
that article is pretty spurious, i wouldnt go rioting about it
that article is pretty spurious, i wouldnt go rioting about it
Rowan
131
It's a very sensationalist article. As explained above, they were arrested because they failed to appear in court, not because of the debt itself. I would understand this more if the author enlightened more on situations where the "victim" wasn't probably notified about their court hearing ahead of time.
If they were living alone or just had no one to turn to, okay.. but why would someone do that if they had a family to take care of?
post=143818
Hmm, what about the notion of people wanting to go to jail instead of homeless? I'm not defending the debt jail thing, but it's what a lot of people would do anyway in a crazy debt situation: get into jail on purpose.
If they were living alone or just had no one to turn to, okay.. but why would someone do that if they had a family to take care of?
Darken
3952
post=143825
If they were living alone or just had no one to turn to, okay.. but why would someone do that if they had a family to take care of?
I have no clue, better ask the family ones that do!
You would have to be mentally retarded or completely ignorant to choose life in an American prison than being homeless.
As for the topic, this is an extension of the hyper incarceration that the USA has been going through since the 80's. It's abysmal and the USA desperately needs to sort its shit out except nobody will do it.
As for the topic, this is an extension of the hyper incarceration that the USA has been going through since the 80's. It's abysmal and the USA desperately needs to sort its shit out except nobody will do it.
I'm sorry...was I rioting? I think not.
I'm just saying I hope I have the ability to pay them back after college...because I sometimes worry I won't...
I'm just saying I hope I have the ability to pay them back after college...because I sometimes worry I won't...
deboo
85
...
yeah, because i actually thought you were rioting over there, phew thank fuck you're not!
yeah, because i actually thought you were rioting over there, phew thank fuck you're not!
BD_Design
51
I wouldn't worry, debt is the only true currency.
But you get a roof over your head, three meals, and more free sex than you ever wanted in your entire life!
post=143842
You would have to be mentally retarded or completely ignorant to choose life in an American prison than being homeless.
But you get a roof over your head, three meals, and more free sex than you ever wanted in your entire life!
post=143817post=143803Indeed.
wasn't the crime for missing a court hearing and not for the unpaid debts?
"Finally, after 16 hours in limbo, jail officials fingerprinted Uhlmeyer and explained her offense -- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt."
Misleading title.
Since when does incurring debts warrant a court hearing? And nobody finds it strange that the bail cost is often the exact cost of the debt owed?
deboo
85
post=143863um for a while, your crediter can take you to court.
Since when does incurring debts warrant a court hearing?
You're right. However;
There's nothing at least a little messed up about this? Especially in the middle of a recession? The quintessential American problem is living beyond your means and borrowing what you can't pay, but is the solution to this is to throw everyone in jail?
The laws allowing for the arrest of someone for an unpaid debt are not new.
What is new is the rise of well-funded, aggressive and centralized collection firms, in many cases run by attorneys, that buy up unpaid debt and use the courts to collect.
There's nothing at least a little messed up about this? Especially in the middle of a recession? The quintessential American problem is living beyond your means and borrowing what you can't pay, but is the solution to this is to throw everyone in jail?
Rowan
131
IDK, maybe the government should think of a way to prevent (or limit) people from living/borrowing beyond their means? It works in RPG's. This common scenario for example:
Player: I want to buy this Ether!
Game: "NOT ENOUGH GIL"
Player: =(
Hehe, It works to since players can't run to their nearest loan or credit card agency.
Player: I want to buy this Ether!
Game: "NOT ENOUGH GIL"
Player: =(
Hehe, It works to since players can't run to their nearest loan or credit card agency.
deboo
85
post=143866hmm that doesn't say that they're throwing people in jail for not paying debts, it says they 'use the courts to collect,' which probably means getting bailiffs in to try and get the money - which is completely legal and happens all the time. the worst they can do legally is name someone bankrupt.
You're right. However;
The laws allowing for the arrest of someone for an unpaid debt are not new.
What is new is the rise of well-funded, aggressive and centralized collection firms, in many cases run by attorneys, that buy up unpaid debt and use the courts to collect.
There's nothing at least a little messed up about this? Especially in the middle of a recession? The quintessential American problem is living beyond your means and borrowing what you can't pay, but is the solution to this is to throw everyone in jail?
i don't really know how it works in America, but for some debts like non-payments of t.v licenses you can legitimately be put into jail...
but if you're right, and they are throwing people in just for not paying debts, i completely agree - that is really awful!
post=143817post=143803Indeed.
wasn't the crime for missing a court hearing and not for the unpaid debts?
"Finally, after 16 hours in limbo, jail officials fingerprinted Uhlmeyer and explained her offense -- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt."
Misleading title.
Journalistic integrity at its finest.
