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THE IRAQ WAR IS OFFICIALLY OVER.
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Feldschlacht IV
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ClosePerhaps not over in every sense of the word, as 50,000 troops still remain in the country for non combat roles, and the US government still has to transition our way out of the country entirely, but our official combat role has ended, and the last troops are pulling out as of today.
Read for yourself.
Video in case you don't like to read/are illiterate (FUN FACT: I went to high school with the guy in the middle of the video who yells "WE'RE GOIN' HOME")
What are your thoughts on this? Politically intelligent comments/users welcome.
Read for yourself.
Video in case you don't like to read/are illiterate (FUN FACT: I went to high school with the guy in the middle of the video who yells "WE'RE GOIN' HOME")
What are your thoughts on this? Politically intelligent comments/users welcome.
Who IS running the show in Iraq right now, government-wise, anyway? I haven't been following that closely.
Yeaster
6164
About effin' time.
Now what exactly did we accomplish? Half-serious question. I don't follow politics because I'm mildly brain damaged, so you'll have to bare with me.
Now what exactly did we accomplish? Half-serious question. I don't follow politics because I'm mildly brain damaged, so you'll have to bare with me.
post=152682Real world politics is confusing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Iraq_from_2006
*goes back to playing videogames*
Well we managed to go in there, blow the shit out of their infrastructure, but then realized we kind of needed that if we wanted to setup shop there.
My brother was in the marines and was part of the first batch of marines to go in after 9/11. He was on a ship in the Indian Ocean when it happened. For Afghanistan, he felt pretty justified in our actions there.
He did not have that same feeling when he was sent to Iraq. It always seemed like such a con to go in there. It was totally an invasion and a poorly ran one at that.
Glad it's finally over with.
My brother was in the marines and was part of the first batch of marines to go in after 9/11. He was on a ship in the Indian Ocean when it happened. For Afghanistan, he felt pretty justified in our actions there.
He did not have that same feeling when he was sent to Iraq. It always seemed like such a con to go in there. It was totally an invasion and a poorly ran one at that.
Glad it's finally over with.
Let me put it this way: the Iraq War completely agreed with Edwin's Law...
J-Man
4684
post=152723
the US is preparing for their invasion of Canada
They better not invade Canada, we are armed with Beavers and Hockeysticks!! >8D
Mr.Nemo
1295
Nixon: The war is over, get our boys back home. We did good!
Obama: The war is over, get our boys back home. We did good!
D:
Obama: The war is over, get our boys back home. We did good!
D:
TheDigitalMonk
1148
post=152743
In all seriousness, didn't G.W. declare the war over back in like 2004?
May 1, 2003 I think.
Kaempfer
1932
You all laugh, but the US invading Canada would be like Vietnam meets Operation Barbarossa. We have a thousand kilometers of ridiculously cold, inhospitable shield and marshland for the US to get through. Good luck! Also we are not nearly as stupid as terrorists and would actually be able to stage a guerrilla war. Also geopolitical ramifications. NO MORE JOKES ABOUT THE US INVADING CANADA I DO NOT LIKE THEM
I am glad that the Americans are pulling out of Iraq, but for a second here I am going to play devil's advocate (I don't support the Iraq war and never have, but fuck all a y'all).
As to what the US accomplished, here are some things:
Removal of a dictatorship that had proven itself willing to use chemical weapons on what were technically its own people. If a government is willing to launch a genocide against its own citizens, its willing to launch one at other countries.
For the next few years, we have an ace in the hole in the Middle East. An invasion of any country in the Middle East is now possible from an ocean-accessible country with a massively improved infrastructure (in a strictly we're-American-and-build-highways-everywhere sense, and in no other sense).
A decade of urban warfare experience. Don't write this off: the US is now nation to have fought in a modern, large-scale urban combat situation. Russia has urban combat experience, but generally hasn't had to commit any major forces to a theatre. There has also been a decade of large-scale Arid-region combat and a decade of modern logistics training. The only way to learn how to fight a war is to fight in wars. The US now has more experience fighting in these types of wars than pretty much every other nation combined. Any future wars will be fought much more efficiently, especially since the US is going to review meticulously every failure of this war once it's well and truly done.
A more stable buffer near Iran. Despite the fact that the Iraqis already hated the Iranians, we now have a much better buffer (armed and trained by the US and willing to accept wide-scale US assistance) against Iran, who are being as antagonistic as possible. The Iranian government is hated by most of its younger generation (according to a student activist who escaped Iran that I used to work with, so take that with a grain of salt. He had been at a lot of pretty huge rallies, though, so there is obvious popular support for the downfall of the government) and if the US can successfully leave the area under the control of a stable, allied Iraq then the Iranians are going to have much less fodder to use as rhetoric while still having a nation of very angry people across their border(s).
The US is now allied with: Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan is fucked. They are going to be mired in trying to recover from a string of natural disasters for the next long, long time. This means that he majority of both the population and the geography is the Islamic Middle East is actually on our side; this is a good thing, obviously, especially when tied in with my point above. This also means that the Middle East is cut in half, with the US having extreme influence on everything on both sides and right down the middle.
Iraq is country that is actually capable of being a country (unlike Afghanistan, which will never be more than a bunch of tribal warlords shooting at each other with whatever antiquated weaponry they can scrounge), which means that they will some day be able to be a decent place if they get their shit together. As "stable" as the dictatorship of Hussein was it still meant that Iraq could never be a nice place to be. Now it can be. It's unlikely, but the chance is there.
There are actually a lot more, but they mostly pertain to what a bunch of assholes the Iranians are, and these are the major ones. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you COMMIE PIGS
I am glad that the Americans are pulling out of Iraq, but for a second here I am going to play devil's advocate (I don't support the Iraq war and never have, but fuck all a y'all).
As to what the US accomplished, here are some things:
Removal of a dictatorship that had proven itself willing to use chemical weapons on what were technically its own people. If a government is willing to launch a genocide against its own citizens, its willing to launch one at other countries.
For the next few years, we have an ace in the hole in the Middle East. An invasion of any country in the Middle East is now possible from an ocean-accessible country with a massively improved infrastructure (in a strictly we're-American-and-build-highways-everywhere sense, and in no other sense).
A decade of urban warfare experience. Don't write this off: the US is now nation to have fought in a modern, large-scale urban combat situation. Russia has urban combat experience, but generally hasn't had to commit any major forces to a theatre. There has also been a decade of large-scale Arid-region combat and a decade of modern logistics training. The only way to learn how to fight a war is to fight in wars. The US now has more experience fighting in these types of wars than pretty much every other nation combined. Any future wars will be fought much more efficiently, especially since the US is going to review meticulously every failure of this war once it's well and truly done.
A more stable buffer near Iran. Despite the fact that the Iraqis already hated the Iranians, we now have a much better buffer (armed and trained by the US and willing to accept wide-scale US assistance) against Iran, who are being as antagonistic as possible. The Iranian government is hated by most of its younger generation (according to a student activist who escaped Iran that I used to work with, so take that with a grain of salt. He had been at a lot of pretty huge rallies, though, so there is obvious popular support for the downfall of the government) and if the US can successfully leave the area under the control of a stable, allied Iraq then the Iranians are going to have much less fodder to use as rhetoric while still having a nation of very angry people across their border(s).
The US is now allied with: Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan is fucked. They are going to be mired in trying to recover from a string of natural disasters for the next long, long time. This means that he majority of both the population and the geography is the Islamic Middle East is actually on our side; this is a good thing, obviously, especially when tied in with my point above. This also means that the Middle East is cut in half, with the US having extreme influence on everything on both sides and right down the middle.
Iraq is country that is actually capable of being a country (unlike Afghanistan, which will never be more than a bunch of tribal warlords shooting at each other with whatever antiquated weaponry they can scrounge), which means that they will some day be able to be a decent place if they get their shit together. As "stable" as the dictatorship of Hussein was it still meant that Iraq could never be a nice place to be. Now it can be. It's unlikely, but the chance is there.
There are actually a lot more, but they mostly pertain to what a bunch of assholes the Iranians are, and these are the major ones. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you COMMIE PIGS
Billwilliams
1159
War is not over. Go make some more popcorn you unrepentant facist assholes. The show will go on for years.
