SO ABOUT THIS WIKILEAKS THING...WHAT DO YOU THINK?

i was living under a rock but my location was leaked :(

author=Feldschlacht IV
treasonous actions that may damage national security or endanger the lives of citizens in the crossfire

any sensationalist media outlet reporting this is a sure fire indicator that they have no idea of the contents of this particular leak, not to mention that most of these accusations are being thrown at julian assange himself. an australian. from australia. with no fixed abode.

oh no mog you're next

To quote Shakespeare:

Discretion is the better part of valor.

And discretion is the last thing Wikileaks has.

I'm personally of the opinion that Wikileaks is doing more harm than good with the stuff it is leaking. Among other things: Why do we need to know critical battleplans for an ongoing war? Why do we need to know the names of informers and secret intelligence agents (it defeats the entire purpose)? I don't see why we, ordinary citizens just going about our lives, need to know of such things.

Information leaks have, can, and will continue to happen (on varying scales) as long as there is desire for information. The difference here is that traditional media, such as newspapers and TV news stations, are generally smart about deciding what needs to be released and what should be left concealed for reasons of irrelevancy and/or unnecessary harm to the welfare of a person or group. Leaks such as scandals and embezzlements or clear human rights violations have almost always been released to the public, but things that endanger national security and/or the safety of individual persons has been largely withheld for the better interest of everyone.

Wikileaks, meanwhile, generally releases everything wholesale. The potential ramifications of such an act is horrifying at best.

To put it short, Wikileaks is not Robin Hood. It is not an underworld ally of the people. It and the personel involved are nothing more than mis-guided, extremist, and in some cases treasonous criminals that should be justly punished for their actions. Even moreso if what they leak will potentially endanger a country's national security or the life of an innocent person.

seriously though, i think it means we(USA) need to do a better job with our security.

Agreed. Half of the problem stems from the leaks actually happening to start with.

author=KingArthur
To quote Shakespeare:

Discretion is the better part of valor.

And discretion is the last thing Wikileaks has.

I'm personally of the opinion that Wikileaks is doing more harm than good with the stuff it is leaking. Among other things: Why do we need to know critical battleplans for an ongoing war? Why do we need to know the names of informers and secret intelligence agents (it defeats the entire purpose)? I don't see why we, ordinary citizens just going about our lives, need to know of such things.
Agreed. Half of the problem stems from the leaks actually happening to start with.

I get the feeling you are perhaps not as familiar with the data leaked as you let on.

i have no vested interest in any possible repercussions of these leaks (it isn't the death of innocent people or a hole in security that will lead to a terrorist attack m'lord) i think that the documents are of interest to great scholarly minds such as me, jericho, a literal genius, and also anyone else who wants to know more about their country's doing-abouts. collateral murder was really horrible and if the us government gets bruised and held to a higher standard of accountability then all the better

Anarchy Now! Muthafuckers!!!



Ok sorry I had to get that out of my system.

I really have trouble seeing how people could not support Wikileaks. America really is a world empire and the sooner Americans can bring themselves to admit that the better. God forbid people be forced to face an unpleasant truth, when a good well prepared lie will do just as well.

It's not a big deal. The vast majority of people aren't smart enough to do anything with the information that was leaked, so there's really no point.

Didn't know this existed. Nevertheless, the government shouldn't be hiding information from us...they shouldn't be doing things they can't afford to allow the public to know in the first place.

author=slashphoenix
...I don't know about you and I know I don't have amazing government security training, but there are some things - such as slaughtering innocents who are merely suspected of crime - that I, as a sound human being, can judge right or wrong, and don't need the government to keep from me. They may say "we keep it quiet for your own good" but I would not be surprised if it meant "we keep it quiet because we don't want any resistance, and people are too passive-agressive to question us".

I agree with this statement, Slashphoenix.

author=Feldschlacht IV
...It doesn't make sense to you because no offense, you just said you don't really know about the news/what's going on as much as you should.

I'm in the same boat, though. I'm not that well-informed, but it's my fault, of course; I could be reading newspapers and watching the news, but I don't cause I've never found much interest in doing so.

if you are not a red blooded socialist our friendship is over

p.s. if you have basically no idea of what is going on / any of the context it's probably best that you turn back at the door on this occasion