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Closethus give them more easily-digestible information. Like download counts, pageview counts, impression scores, critiques, higher-precision scoring.
Without a score, they would then just sift through looking for games with the prettiest images/clever names/intriguing blurb. I don't see how this is better than games with the prettiest images/clever names/intriguing blurb + average score.
Because then the burden is on the creator to make their game look and sound appealing as opposed to putting them at the mercy of reviewers. Consider also that if a game comes out with a demo that receives several poor reviews, then the creator takes into account their criticism and vastly improves the game in its next release, everyone will see the poor score which sticks with it and few people will be willing to give the new version a chance.
Consider also that if a game comes out with a demo that receives several poor reviews, then the creator takes into account their criticism and vastly improves the game in its next release, everyone will see the poor score which sticks with it and few people will be willing to give the new version a chance.this seems like a separate issue that can be addressed. And yes, while removing all scores everywhere is a possible solution to this issue, it seems a little overkill.
And the onus is still on the creator to make an interesting looking gameprofile, whether or not there is an average score.
EDIT:
This is just my personal experience, but on those rare occasions when I am looking for a game, I first look for the genre of game I want to play.
Game titles and game blurbs are important at catching my eye.
Then I look at the gameprofile examining it for a sense of effort put into the game. So I look at the screenshots, I pay attention to the grammar and spelling in the description, and to the writing style of the description. If I am interested enough to continue, I will probably download it by then.
If I think a game looks good but has a low average score, I check out the reviews tab and see whats what. But I only check out the reviews if I find an anomalous score (4.5-5 stars, or 2 or less stars). If no reviews are present, I usually skim the comments.
How do other people use the system? I am curious.
EDIT2:
I should also say that if I see an anomalous score, and then find that there is only 1 review, I often just dismiss it. But sometimes WHO wrote the review is important, too.
Strangeluv
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author=kentona
How do other people use the system? I am curious.
Almost the same as you. If the game profile has some work in it, chances are that the game has some work put into it too.
Lennon
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author=kentona
How do other people use the system? I am curious.
I honestly just look at everything there. Title, tagline, featured image, and score, in no order.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=kentona
How do other people use the system? I am curious.
I just look through games that I haven't played before that somehow manage to catch my attention. I then look to see if there's a download available. If not, I close out of the page. If so, I look at the screenshots. If I feel that the size is small enough, and there's something about the screenshots I like ("this is good" or "so bad this might be good for a laugh") then I'll probably end up downloading it to see what said game is about.
I find that this method is quicker, makes you less prone to throwing a game off to the side because of a low scoring review, but also makes you care less about this and that before playing, which may or may not be a good thing as you tend to grow a disconnect to the people that these reviews mean so much for.
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Because then the burden is on the creator to make their game look and sound appealing
Sorry, but what? If a creator makes a game that's unappealing, it's kind of their own fault when it doesn't succeed!
Lennon
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If a creator has any idea what they're doing, they should make their game good looking and sounding anyways. Putting them at the mercy of the reviewers still accomplishes this, if they want to get good reviews.
author=Lennon
If a creator has any idea what they're doing, they should make their game good looking and sounding anyways. Putting them at the mercy of the reviewers still accomplishes this, if they want to get good reviews.
That's assuming that every reviewer reviews by the same standards and is free of bias.
Jericho
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I believe he was referring to advertising.
I don't really have a problem with numerical ratings on other sites, but 1) this site has a lot of reviews with ratings that seem arbitrary, and 2) there are a lot of games that simply do not have reviews. I feel it's unfair to gamemakers to have the deciding factor in whether or not their games will be downloaded be an x star rating given out by one person because of how he/she felt about it at the time. And, for whatever reason, people don't really like to review games here.
I personally like the way roger ebert scores things, but I know that's not a popular opinion, so I guess the solution I would throw out would be to have two categories of reviews, the ones we have now, and then just smaller but still informative blurbs about the game with a rating attached.
I don't really have a problem with numerical ratings on other sites, but 1) this site has a lot of reviews with ratings that seem arbitrary, and 2) there are a lot of games that simply do not have reviews. I feel it's unfair to gamemakers to have the deciding factor in whether or not their games will be downloaded be an x star rating given out by one person because of how he/she felt about it at the time. And, for whatever reason, people don't really like to review games here.
I personally like the way roger ebert scores things, but I know that's not a popular opinion, so I guess the solution I would throw out would be to have two categories of reviews, the ones we have now, and then just smaller but still informative blurbs about the game with a rating attached.
author=JerichoYeah I pitched that idea a while back. (so obviously I am open to discussing it).
I personally like the way roger ebert scores things, but I know that's not a popular opinion, so I guess the solution I would throw out would be to have two categories of reviews, the ones we have now, and then just smaller but still informative blurbs about the game with a rating attached.
It also seems to be somewhat like what Craze wants with his "mini-review + score" critiques.
Jericho
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because this discussion concerns whether or not the 1-5 star system used is flawed and participating in this discussion does not somehow stay the hand of one who wishes to write a review. is your answer.
Jericho
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sorry let me state that again in a manner in which you are perhaps more accustomed
Doctor Gregory Tarly: Fuck me, First Mate CyberFafnir! Why don't we just tell these fuckblithering cunts to just review more! Problem solved!
First Mate CyberFafnir: Well Doctor, you will find that the biokinetic data readouts obtained by our M.E.T.A.D.A.R.K. droids when they went to study the Zeta Charts of the Gamma Hamtaro System plainly state that this approach does not do shit. It is akin to yelling at a broken retard faggot computer.
Doctor Gregory Tarly: whores
Doctor Gregory Tarly: Fuck me, First Mate CyberFafnir! Why don't we just tell these fuckblithering cunts to just review more! Problem solved!
First Mate CyberFafnir: Well Doctor, you will find that the biokinetic data readouts obtained by our M.E.T.A.D.A.R.K. droids when they went to study the Zeta Charts of the Gamma Hamtaro System plainly state that this approach does not do shit. It is akin to yelling at a broken retard faggot computer.
Doctor Gregory Tarly: whores
