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You honestly don't think they'd overcompensate in some ill-conceived effort to "relate to the students"?

So your argument boils down to flat out speculation?
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So your argument boils down to flat out speculation?

Well obviously.
I think it's a good thing.

I read that the dropout rates for blacks in Toronto are ridiculously high, and anything that might decrease that can only be a good thing.

It's not like Toronto doesn't have segregated schools anyway, what with those catholics and christians and jews and rich people (private schools).

Well, presumably it would only help if the reason black Torontonians (is that the word?) were dropping out of school was because those schools don't focus enough on black history and culture. I really doubt that has anything to do with it, rather than stuff like bad life choices (drug use, involvement in gangs, teen pregnancy, etc.) or the simple existential fact that most of them don't care to go to college and would rather get started working now. In many cases it's a rational choice for a person with no higher-ed ambitions to drop out of school, especially if they have an even-reasonably-lucrative job lined up.

(I should also point out that Catholics are Christians and that there's a big difference between private parochial schools and publicly-funded schools segregated by race).

Every other school focuses on white history and culture, so why not?

I'm gonna' go ahead and put it out there that it's because white people have shaped most of Western history.

Mr. Abley, I think you've touched upon some important issues but I think you're missed some key factors.

The feeling of hopelessness and irrelevance is not unique to african-americans.

Quite, and I've been saying this for a while, but it's worth pointing out that the situation is uniquely severe in the case of African-Americans since it's fed by a lot of other factors (like the vicious heresy called black liberation theology that is preached in many inner-city churches, the depressing grievance-mongering among black elites, etc.).

I'd call what Holbert called white male Christian values middle class values. When people of the middle class wonder why others aren't viewing the world the way they do, they seem to get angry. Native Americans in Canada get free education, and lots don't take it and the middle class compares. It's not fathomable that some native Americans don't want to have the middle class definition of success and would want to be on their land with their family. Policies given to the poor and different cultures are not to help them, but to assimilate them to having middle class values.

Well, can't speak for natives in Canada, but I think Abley's objection isn't that minorities are rejecting the dominant culture, but that they are then expecting the dominant culture to pull them out of the mess they find themselves in after doing so.

If it were simply that minorities were ethnic separatists I imagine most people would be inclined to let them go their way (live and let live, after all). But as this story demonstrates, they are quite not content with that, instead demanding public subsidies to underwrite the cost of that separatism, which they are evidently unable to bear on their own.
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