WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON "CLICHED" GAMES?

author=Shadowtext link=topic=906.msg12961#msg12961 date=1208921754
LOOK AT ME I AM AN ART MAJOR

You're splitting hairs with vocabulary here man. You know exactly what I meant. I was talking about sexy fanservice and arguing about how it is a disservice to otherwise serious writing. This is a different matter from the sort of carnal, sexual undertones in Classical art that you're discussing.

author=brandonabley link=topic=906.msg12996#msg12996 date=1208961892

author=Shadowtext link=topic=906.msg12961#msg12961 date=1208921754
LOOK AT ME I AM AN ART MAJOR

Oh, like you don't do the same thing when the discussion turns to music. =P I just went with classic examples because it's less likely that someone's going to chime in with "Michelangelo was a hack!" than "but Shadowtext, there is no redeeming aspect to FLCL!"*


* - unless I specifically say that it's less likely, then the chances of it happening are nearly 100%.

author=Shadowtext link=topic=906.msg13046#msg13046 date=1208991012
Oh, like you don't do the same thing when the discussion turns to music. =P

I didn't mean anything bad by it man. I just didn't know how else to paraphrase your entire post. I was referencing the whole thing after all and not just one sentence. But I guess I could have put it a little better =\

author=RoseSkye link=topic=906.msg13049#msg13049 date=1208991980
Art in games are trying to turn its player on to seem like a better game. Ever seen an ugly hero in a serious game? What about an uncouth heroine? If that happened sure it may still be a good game but, it'll be no fanservice to turn players on.

I can't really understand what your position is.

You know, guys, that the best heroes in literature are always ones with significant human flaws. Gorgeous, athletic, Japanese teenagers and porn actresses just don't really seem to communicate basic personal flaws. If we want to reference classical art, our favorite characters were people like Casanova, Don Quixote, King Arthur, Hercules, Harry Potter, and the like. A common thread running through all of these heroes is that they tend to seriously screw up in various ways or have huge handicaps working against them. Harry Potter was a half-assed wizard who got by almost exclusively on luck, Casanova was a genuinely terrible person who defied Hell all the way to the end, and King Arthur, among other things, had sex and child with his sister!

You may notice that the main character in GTAIV is middle-aged and balding, and you know, I find those things about him pretty compelling.

But aside from that my original point was that Ming Numara in Lost Odyssey made me want to vomit anyway because her boobs are REALLY gross.

author=brandonabley link=topic=906.msg13055#msg13055 date=1209000203

author=Shadowtext link=topic=906.msg13046#msg13046 date=1208991012
Oh, like you don't do the same thing when the discussion turns to music. =P

I didn't mean anything bad by it man. I just didn't know how else to paraphrase your entire post. I was referencing the whole thing after all and not just one sentence. But I guess I could have put it a little better =\

author=RoseSkye link=topic=906.msg13049#msg13049 date=1208991980
Art in games are trying to turn its player on to seem like a better game. Ever seen an ugly hero in a serious game? What about an uncouth heroine? If that happened sure it may still be a good game but, it'll be no fanservice to turn players on.

I can't really understand what your position is.

You know, guys, that the best heroes in literature are always ones with significant human flaws. Gorgeous, athletic, Japanese teenagers and porn actresses just don't really seem to communicate basic personal flaws. If we want to reference classical art, our favorite characters were people like Casanova, Don Quixote, King Arthur, Hercules, Harry Potter, and the like. A common thread running through all of these heroes is that they tend to seriously screw up in various ways or have huge handicaps working against them. Harry Potter was a half-assed wizard who got by almost exclusively on luck, Casanova was a genuinely terrible person who defied Hell all the way to the end, and King Arthur, among other things, had sex and child with his sister!

You may notice that the main character in GTAIV is middle-aged and balding, and you know, I find those things about him pretty compelling.

But aside from that my original point was that Ming Numara in Lost Odyssey made me want to vomit anyway because her boobs are REALLY gross.

Yeah but those are stories.. not games. Now adays games are more jerk off material than actually games. Girls are half dressed, guys are ripped.. everyones is young and unnaturally beautiful. I mean its not all games.. but the majority of rpgs.. NA and Eastern. -majority- not all.