MP3 TO MIDI?

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Adon237
if i had an allowance, i would give it to rmn
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Alright, trying to reduce the size of my game, and I need to figure out how you go about converting a .MP3 file to a .MIDI file, the smallest audio file I can think of.
I have googled multiple times, but all I find are programs that I can't use, or I don't understand enough.
Or is there some other magical file that is extremely small?
K-hos
whoa You guys are hi-chaining without me? That's just not right. :<
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You can't, they're two completely different methods of making music.

You can either try finding the songs as midis, or you can try composing them yourself.

Or you could convert the music to .ogg if your maker of choice supports that format.
Adon237
if i had an allowance, i would give it to rmn
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Well, I tried, and it seems that .ogg's are actually the same size as the MP3 in the first place.
K-hos
whoa You guys are hi-chaining without me? That's just not right. :<
721
It shouldn't be, if it was done right.
If your music is from other games then you may be able to find it here in midi format: http://www.vgmusic.com/
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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Yeah, midis aren't sound recordings like an MP3, they're essentially sheet music that the computer reads and interprets and plays. You can't convert something from MP3 to midi.

Personally I would just reduce the bitrate of the MP3 if it's a problem. (Is OGG even any smaller than MP3? I thought they were basically identical. It's just the bitrate that affects the size, right?)

Frankly I never understand people's concern to work so hard to make their games smaller, in this day and age. MP3s are pretty small to begin with, unless you have hundreds and hundreds of them. I downloaded a 600 MB amateur game yesterday from Megaupload and I didn't even think about it. 600 MB is so tiny. RPG Maker games have poor enough quality already without making the audio sound like shit too.
Adon237
if i had an allowance, i would give it to rmn
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Ok. Well, I read a lot of posts where people complain about filesizes, and the limit they would download for an rpgmaker game.
Times have changed, I never understood this either. It's easier today to download a song as some 60 meg .wav file than a 6 meg mp3 when this hobby started.

I was actually thinking that with continued gains in download speeds and hard drive space the MP3 might be obsolete in a few years time, in favor of higher quality sound formats. I think today an average mp3 file is almost proportionately as small as an average midi was back in 2000.
Adon237
if i had an allowance, i would give it to rmn
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Ok. So I guess I have nothing to worry about.
(Darn you Shortstar.)
There are mp3 to midi programs, but they suck big time.
author=LockeZ
(Is OGG even any smaller than MP3? I thought they were basically identical. It's just the bitrate that affects the size, right?)


I am no master of audio here, so take it with a grain of salt, but yes, converting MP3 files to .OGG is definitely worth the small amount of effort it takes. It takes less than 5 minutes to open a file in Audacity and export as .OGG, and while filesize isn't as big of an issue these days, bigger isn't any better.

author=Adon237
Well, I tried, and it seems that .ogg's are actually the same size as the MP3 in the first place.


How did you convert them? I mentioned Audacity up above, and I know if you use that for converting you'll want to fiddle with your exporting preferences before there's any difference.
An MP3, OGG, WMA etc. file is a compressed version of a WAV file, which is a file that measures pressure upon the diaphragm of a microphone. It does not distinguish what type of noise is creating that pressure, whether its a car horn, a violin, or a bird chirping.

A MIDI file is a file read by a computer that is comprised of a series of sequenced notes with specific instrument patches. Think of a MIDI file as sheet music that a computer reads and plays LIVE for you, instead of saving all the sound data in a file and then playing what was already recorded. As you can see, a MIDI does not in any way shape or form contain the same data an MP3 holds. This is why an MP3 is so much larger than a midi. Therefore, conversion from MP3 to midi usually requires someone manually composing the score that makes up the MP3 into a midi sequencer to emulate the song. It won't sound remotely even the same.

That said, there is software that analyzes mp3s and such and creates a basic midi file what the perceived pitches of each note. But like I mentioned earlier, there's generally no way to measure what kind of instrument made each sound on an MP3 file, so files created with this kind of software are generally intended to just be a "start" for midi composers to go in and touch up. Can save a lot of time, but won't be practical for those who aren't already familiar with the format.
As others have pointed out, it is easy to convert a MIDI into an MP3, but doing the inverse isn't really possible with existing technology (as narcodis pointed out though, some programs can give you an approximation, though I haven't used any of these myself).

Personally, I think the sound of an MP3 file is generally a huge improvement over MIDI, though of course it may not always be the best choice for a project.
Thiamor
I assure you I'm no where NEAR as STUPID as one might think.
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Actually you can convert mp3 to midi. There is a program ,which name I've forgotten, that would allow you to import mp3 songs and it'll covert it over into midi format. It'll change everything over into it's midi counterpart. I think Guitar Pro allows it. I think it is Guitar Pro 2 or 3. Might be 1,2,3 and whatever else they've released for it by now.
Just as an fyi, while you may probably receive a lower file size from converting an MP3 to an OGG (I'm not sure how much you can save; it depends on what OGG's compression algorithm strips out of your file, if anything at all...), you will almost always have your file's sound quality reduced. This is because MP3 and OGG are both lossy compression techniques, which means that any information that is stripped out of them -- in the name of compression -- is lost forever and ever. (as opposed to "lossless" compression)

In most cases, it is probably not even worth it for you to transcode between both codecs.
I remember with my Doom Days there were MP3 to MIDI programs, but they sucked :-(
I remember the days when we had scores of eager musicians converting all of the musics into MIDI format. Pop songs, theme songs, classical music, videogames...
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