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COMMEMORATION 9/11
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Irili
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Irili
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CloseI was only in fourth grade at the time but I remember my dad picked me up early from school that day and wouldn't say anything until we got home. He turned on the news and of course it was on every news station.
I didn't really understand it at first. It took about 20 minutes for my 9 year old brain to absorb it but I started crying and my dad just looked really sad and angry.
I didn't even go into town yesterday because I knew only half of the flags would be flying at half mast and we have a whole bunch of illegals living there so there are plenty of Mexican flags flying where American flags should be. It ticks me off to no end so I decided not to even go into town...
I spent most of yesterday on pins and needles with the news on, hoping nothing was going to happen.
I didn't really understand it at first. It took about 20 minutes for my 9 year old brain to absorb it but I started crying and my dad just looked really sad and angry.
I didn't even go into town yesterday because I knew only half of the flags would be flying at half mast and we have a whole bunch of illegals living there so there are plenty of Mexican flags flying where American flags should be. It ticks me off to no end so I decided not to even go into town...
I spent most of yesterday on pins and needles with the news on, hoping nothing was going to happen.
Dyhalto
7536
author=rcholbert
That's not really how executive orders work. :(
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Two things about that.
First, I'm sure if you set a lawyer to it, he could find a way to properly issue a perfectly legal EO. I'm not about to do the research myself :) but the US legal framework is extensive and full of goodies and baddies.
Second, I highly doubt Congress will be able to muster the 2/3 supermajority necessary to bring about the third overturned executive order in the history of the United States.
author=Dyhalto
First, I'm sure if you set a lawyer to it, he could find a way to properly issue a perfectly legal EO. I'm not about to do the research myself :) but the US legal framework is extensive and full of goodies and baddies.
Second, I highly doubt Congress will be able to muster the 2/3 supermajority necessary to bring about the third overturned executive order in the history of the United States.
Executive orders cannot create funds for programs outside the scope of law; they are meant to clarify the administration's own vision for implementing a law or for general management purposes of the executive bureaucracy. The President has wide discretion with a lot of things, but the coin purse isn't one of them -- at least not without a subdued Congress.
On your second note, it would not be the 2/3 Congressional supermajority that would concern the President in this case, but rather the U.S. Supreme Court after Congress or another party files a lawsuit.
Dyhalto
7536
Obviously there is no law for providing funds to first responders or we wouldn't be talking about it. I meant that I'm sure laws exist on the books that can either directly (via a 'pension' or 'bounty' clause) or indirectly (through the setting up of some new temporary bureaucracy) provide the funding channel.
In this particular scenario, the congress wouldn't dare file a lawsuit unless every advocating politician has given up on their political career.
Still. It's not nice to set dangerous precedents and what I'm suggesting could be just that x_x Maybe I'll just stfu now.
Back on the direct topic, I wonder when they're going to stop commemorating this date.
In this particular scenario, the congress wouldn't dare file a lawsuit unless every advocating politician has given up on their political career.
Still. It's not nice to set dangerous precedents and what I'm suggesting could be just that x_x Maybe I'll just stfu now.
Back on the direct topic, I wonder when they're going to stop commemorating this date.
My impression is that one of the good changes this catastrophe brought around was a certain erasement of ethnic differences, but an "Afro-american" could tell with certainty if that is right or wrong ?
This is America, Dyhalto. Our politics are both interesting and flawed. There are already lots of politicians who have spoken out against the benefits for 9/11 survivors, and many more have chosen to ignore it -- hence why it is not law nearly a decade later. For the most part that isn't an issue people will be voting on, for good or for ill.
Considering all of the other dates we still commemorate (Pearl Harbor?), I doubt it we will stop anytime in my lifetime.
Considering all of the other dates we still commemorate (Pearl Harbor?), I doubt it we will stop anytime in my lifetime.
author=chana
My impression is that one of the good changes this catastrophe brought around was a certain erasement of ethnic differences, but an "Afro-american" could tell with certainty if that is right or wrong ?
huh
ok, too bad, then I was wrong. Maybe there was just a temporary sense of being one people ( Amercans above all differences), but nothing deep.
Shinan
4314
author=chana
ok, too bad, then I was wrong. Maybe there was just a temporary sense of being one people ( Amercans above all differences), but nothing deep.
Isn't that the same thing as ethnic differences. "If you're not American you're not a proper person".
Oh, that's a lot more clearer. Yeah, that definitely happened a little bit. It also happened again when Osama was taken down.
Irili
3198
author=chana
I mean like a people in a catastrophe can feel united as one.
Same thing with Pearl Harbor. The entirety of America backed the president at the time as well. We were unified in joining WWII at that time.
Dyhalto
7536
author=rcholbert
Considering all of the other dates we still commemorate (Pearl Harbor?), I doubt it we will stop anytime in my lifetime.
Is Pearl Harbor still mentioned (outside of Hawaii)?
Nobody ever seems to mention the Gulf of Tonkin incident or Lusitania aside from the usual benchmark dates (50 year, 75 year year anniversary). I'm just wondering when the extensive coverage of 9/11 with affiliated documentaries and speech-givings will stop.
Also...
author=rcholbert
There are already lots of politicians who have spoken out against the benefits for 9/11 survivors
I wouldn't mind seeing some names backing this up :o
That's easy to find, Dyhalto. Anthony Weiner was getting into a big fight about that very same issue not to long ago.
Is Pearl Harbor still mentioned (outside of Hawaii)?
I'm pretty sure that the History Channel airs some specials of the event on December 7th. Local news stations (at least as far as I can see here in California) almost always mention it as well, allocating a section to remembering Pearl Harbor.
Dyhalto
7536
author=Feldschlacht IV
That's easy to find, Dyhalto. Anthony Weiner was getting into a big fight about that very same issue not to long ago.
Copy & Paste from wikipedia
"On July 29, 2010, Weiner criticized Republicans for opposing the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act. This act would provide for funds for sick first responders to the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, many of whom reside in Weiner's district. In a speech on the floor of the House, he accused Republicans of hiding behind procedural questions as an excuse to vote against the bill."
Looks like he was in favor of it :| But you did help me DD my way to Jon Kyl. Seems like he was the sacrificial representative for "Republicans".
