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author=halibabica
Really, though, when the top YouTubers are asked how to get started, the answer's always the same: make content that YOU like. Don't get into it for the views, or the moneys, or any other reason. If you're not doing it because you like it, then you'll just quit eventually anyway.

I couldn't agree with this more. Play the games you enjoy; that is why Let's Play is fun.


author=jackalotrun
I think it's going to have to be a quick game (as in speed not length) so really, I'm between Terraria, Skyrim, Diablo III or Path of Exile (Unless some of you really want to see me LP one of the others, then I may reconsider)

Uh...Terraria maybe?

Sooo... GamerGate

author=Crystalgate
I said it's very rare and that still seems to be the case, especially in light of the "witch hunt" comment. Someone making an article on the web is not an issue for the developer. A lot of people giving the developer flak is.


Fair enough, it is rare. Nonetheless, it happens, unless Daniel Vavra lied, which I still entertain as a possibility, though I cannot imagine what he would gain from a false claim, outside of attention.



author=Crystalgate
I could not open the first link. The second link seems justified to me, if you have a large quantity of relationships, one can wonder where the same sex relationships are. The Dragon Crown link seemed to have mostly with sexism and very little with LGBT to do.


The first link referenced the controversy of the game, Tomodachi Life. The contention was that it excluded gay marriages. I agree with the criticism of the second link, but I included it to show that LGBT criticism is actually quite common. The third link is more to do with sexism as you said. I was trying to show that the developer had made negative aspersions pertaining to the author's sexuality because the author critiqued the artwork. That's a better example sexism, though it does show some of the hostility that is sometimes directed at the LGBT crowd.

author=Crystalgate
I'm only really accustomed to Metroid and Star Wars, so I'll cover that.

Luke did indeed go from wimp to badass, but he never went trough anything even remotely close to Samus' freak out in front of Ridley. I can not accept those examples as equal or even near equal.


Search your feelings, you know it be true.



Other than that scene, the death of his family in Episode IV. While he might not have had a complete meltdown over that, it isn't farfetched to say that it impacted Luke's character.

author=Crystalgate
I can not recall a game where the designers actually put a lot of forethought into the implementation of female characters getting a lot of flak. Heck, if you even need to put a lot of forethought into it as opposed to it coming naturally when you write, then there is to some extent already a problem.


Implementation as far as character design is concerned, though character behavior may be scrutinized as well. Tumblr will come to the rescue for a quick, though reasonable, concept. The critique pertains to the rampant sexualization of women in video games. I do think it can be a bit excessive, but the feminists argue that the characters are only sex objects. Depending on the character/characters in question, this criticism may be completely valid. The Dead or Alive fighting series is probably one of the worst offenders.

The thing is, there are many female characters that, while overly sexualized, have an enriching personality to make up for it. Bayonetta is a good example. She has an attractive design, intelligent personality, and a complex backstory.

Sooo... GamerGate

author=Crystalgate
Let's start with the gay character part. This is flat out false. I have followed a couple of videogames during development and it's very rare that people complain about the lack of gay characters. Sometimes a topic pops up where the OP requests mare gay characters, but that's usually it.


So because you've followed several videogames during development, and issues did not arise on the topic, there exists no LGBT criticism?

Here are several examples that exist.

author=Crystalgate
As far as people complaining about female characters goes, usually the more people complain, the more there also is to complain about. It's not always the case, sometimes a game ends up taking more fire than other games due to chance, but usually when a game receives a lot of flak, it's for a reason.

If he says there's no correct way to use female characters, that means he haven't figured out a correct way to use them and nothing else.


It varies from case to case. Some complaints have validity, others are cherry-picked.

Critics complained about this scene, citing that it is unreasonable to make Lara Croft a rape survivor. Except if you watch the scene, though there is blatant sexual overtones, the man in it is attempting to strangle Lara to death. Here is a line from the article, the thesis:

"The idea that Lara – like Samus from Metroid – should have an origin story in which she is weak in order to explain her strength is difficult to swallow. Male characters are generally permitted to be strong without needing a back story in which they are broken – why should female characters be different? Why do we need to protect Lara through an awful ordeal for her strength to make sense?"

First of all, this argument conveniently ignores multiple instances of female characters being powerful without a justification. The protagonist of Portal and Lara Croft from her previous incarnations in the Tomb Raider series are two immediate examples. The reboot changes this fact, but is it necessarily wrong to do so? Characters grow from adversity. Because the context in this case was rape, though a watch of the video indicates that to be a false claim, it is unacceptable.

The Walking Dead show uses this trope on occasion, and criticism, while it does exist, seems to be more accepting of it.

Second, there does exist movies and games in which male characters go from being weak to badasses. Fight Club? The original Evil Dead movie? Star Wars?

On the video game medium, one quick example that comes to mind is Tales of the Abyss with Luke Von Fabre. Examples exist that clearly contradict these criticisms.

Back to your point, Crystalgate, it is debatable how to correctly implement a female character. There are obvious examples that don't work, such as Duke Nukem Forever sexploitative nature. Once again though, people will debate over anything, no matter how much forethought the designers put into their games.

And for the record, the best female character in a game that I have probably seen is The Boss from Metal Gear Solid 3.

Sooo... GamerGate

author=GreatRedSpirit

Jew did NAZI that joke coming, reich? See, I'm cute with my humor too.

Anyway, video game ethics?

Sooo... GamerGate

author=Solitayre
I am extremely intolerant of rape and death threats, yes.

I would imagine that all rational people are opposed to those things, but that is not what I meant by my comment. I'm referring to general ideological positions.

In the context of GamerGate, it is the intrusion of the social justice movement. Here is an example of what I mean:

"And they will never be happy. If you don’t have a gay character in your game, you are homophobic, if you do have gay character in your game, you are homophobic, because they don’t like the character. If women in your game look good, you are sexist, if they look bad, you are sexist, if you can fight with them, you are misogynistic, if you can’t fight with them, you are using them as objects, if you don’t have any women, because there is no correct way how to have them, you are misogynistic.

It’s a witch hunt and it’s affecting my artistic freedom."
- Daniel Vavra, Designer of the Mafia Series

@TehGuy

Thanks for providing the graph. I imagined the issue was more bipartisan, but it seems to actually be more of a liberal movement. Interesting to know.

Sooo... GamerGate

The well is poisoned on both sides of this issue. The moment this thing devolved into threats and harassment is the moment GamerGate became pointless. As has been mentioned several times throughout this thread, there are female members that are joined in the movement. I do not know how anyone can arrive to the conclusion that GamerGate is, and was, misogynistic by default in lieu of that fact.

Regardless, what else is there to say on the issue? We've expended the conversation for all it is worth.

author=Corfaisus
Conservatism really is all about the fear of having to think, isn't it?

I don't know how you brought Conservatism versus Liberalism into this conversation. The only conclusion I can draw is that you believe Gamer Gate to be a Conservative movement. Except that isn't the reality, now is it?

And even if Conservatism was behind GamerGate, so what? How is opposing censorship and ethics in gaming journalism, which, in the first place, was the focal point of the damn movement, indicate fear of thinking?

One study that exists clearly demonstrates that liberals are more likely to be intolerant when faced with views they don't like. Intolerant to the point of censoring views that challenge their paradigms and blocking people.

The claims in that study can easily be proved with some of the comments in this thread, but I will be kind enough not to quote people to prove a point.

Sooo... GamerGate

author=Puddor
But movements like GamerGate are stating that feminism has no place, when feminism is the concept that would bring to light the difference in pay and how women are deliberately not hired for certain jobs, especially programming.

Feminism can accomplish the goal, provided the first-wave feminists gain control of the conversation.

author=Puddor
And yes, I do feel my fear is necessary. I live in Australia, which is by all standards 'first world'. As I said, when I was walking home alone I was stopped by a van. I have been cat called, leered at, touched inappropriately, and I am a reclusive person who does not go out clubbing or dress provocatively. It is much, much worse for people like my sister, or her friends, who are much more inclined to want a night out.

I'm sorry to hear you and sisters have experienced such horrible treatment. Those issues do go on in the United States of America, depending on where you go.

author=Puddor
Statingthat rape culture is not a real thing does not mean it is not a real thing in the western world. It is not an open, obvious thing. It is an insidious, read-between-the-lines culture, whereas arguing that a person was dressed in a way that inspired them to commit the crime is considered a defense, not a confession and that women are taught don't get raped rather than men being taught not to do so.

I was taught not to do so. Then again, I don't view women as objects. Rape is also against the law. The people that commit rape are vile people, sociopaths in many instances; no amount of coaching them that rape is wrong is going to chance that fact. That issue depends on the person.

author=Puddor
But getting this far into it is off-topic, but in that sense this movement comes from the idea that the journalism discussing feminism is not a real issue. It's something called Lewis's law. "Comments on any article about feminism justify feminism."
The comments on any article discussing the place of women in the game's industry pretty much proves that feminism needs to be discussed within the commentary on said industry, and GamerGate trying to put a halt to that is going to continue creating a toxic environment for women who would otherwise want to be a part of games.

I want women in the industry. I'm willing to guarantee the majority of the users on this site have no problem with women having a role in gaming, whether they be players or developers. Nonetheless, when the proponents of the feminist movement are dishonest in their conduct, such as Anita Sarkeesian, it harms the credibility of the movement.

That said, Sarkeesian did raise legitimate points with her "Tropes on Women" series. There is a negative attitude directed at women. A great opportunity exists for explicating on this issue and having a meaningful conversation. The primary problem is the following: while GamerGate is continuing to create a toxic environment for women, radical feminists, who from my perception are the most vocal, also foster an equally harmful environment.

Both of these forces have been detrimental.


author=accha
Video games: the new Aesop's Fables? Games are a kind of interactive story after all. In some ways it could be a better way of teaching morals and lessons if you execute it right.

I advocate that approach as well. Ultimately, the game should tell a good story, but there is nothing wrong with showing positive portrayals of the sexes and teaching morals through games. If a literary text can change the way people think about things, why not a game? The message is the medium, after all.

Bow down to our new Libertian overlord

Congrats, Liberty!

Sooo... GamerGate

I referred to first-wave feminism as reasonable. Radical feminists are the ones I view as mentally ill. I do not have a problem with the feminists that actually are preaching for equality amongst the sexes. It's a shame that goal hasn't been obtained in the 21st century.

Nonetheless, if I gave the impression that I am anti-feminist, I apologize immediately. However, I am very much against radical feminism, which from both my perception and experience is presently dominating both academia and the movement itself.

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author=TehGuy
1. a lot of them believe that the feminists have taken a decent hold on the indie and game journo scene and have only gotten that way because they ignored their shit

Also, I've seen several references to the comic book industry on how ignoring it doesn't work

2. in continuation of 1, a lot of them will not stop anymore until sites like Gawker have essentially burned to the ground. They view that the time for compromise passed weeks ago.


1. If you challenge the critiques of the feminists, particularly radical feminists, their victim-hood ideology becomes justified to them, while they become more militant in their responses.

2. Even if Gawker were to burn to the ground, it wouldn't be enough for the hardcore feminists. They will never be happy, because when they go to bed they have nightmares of the looming patriarchy that stalks them throughout their life. You cannot reason with people that suffer from mental illness.

author=Max McGee
I just really, really don't like Zoe Quinn, or Anita Sarkeesian, or Social Justice Warriors/the PC police. I don't actually think that has fuckall to do with "Ethics in Game Journalism". And I think that the #GG movement is hopelessly problematic because of the toxic, misogynistic, rapy element it has attracted and the vile things they've been saying, not to mention the entire premise that launched the movement was completely untrue.

You would be correct. Both radical feminism and Gamer Gate are completely about furthering a hypocritical agenda that has nothing to do with equality, but the need to further the narrative of misandry.

author=Max McGee
(in Keinor's direction)

I hope you are right, but based on personal experience, I fear you are wrong.

What other choice is there? We're not dealing with the reasonable members of the first-wave feminism movement. Instead, we're forced to converse with unreasonable, mentally unstable, femi-nazis that hate males, with white males presently located at the top of the chopping block.

This scenario is like debating hardcore religious nuts; they are beyond reason. Any effort to address them is futile.