YELLOW MAGIC'S PROFILE

I wish I knew how they did it, myself. (Props for realising it was ZoE, by the way)

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To save this topic may I post some real woman?

What is reality....

Err, what? I do not give a shit what your hobby is and I am very proud of being a nerd (in fact I wish a was a bigger nerd, I'd be sorted for life and I hate being left out of...nerdy things..). My point was you do not compare using game development resources without permission with actual theft, and neither can you relate ideas like human decency and professional ethics to things this trivial (I'm sorry but in the grand scheme of things, it really is).

Hey, Karsuman made the topic, I just added to it!

I'm kind of appalled this statement was taken so seriously. Am I supposed to add a XD to every joke I make? Might be a mistake on my part for not saying JUST KIDDING or something but Jesus Christ you guys one doesn't just say a load of bullshit and backs out of it. I won't deny that I said alot of dumb things but I spy some competitors for "Stupidest Internet Person Alive" in this topic.

I am not repeating myself Atavus Dei.

Stealing resources from anywhere, commercial games or RPG Maker ones alike, is very clearly wrong, but it is up to the individual to decide whether to act in consideration of the ethics of such a practice (e.g. you could look at Feldshlactcst's post (sorry I can't spell your username) about not really caring about the ethics regarding amateur game making).
At the same time, I think people who seriously do not want their resources stolen without their permission should take certain precautionary measures if possible. If this cannot be done with music in XP/VX, fine, but what I've said does not have to relate to harmonic's situation only.

Read again before you start repeating things like "YOU ARE NOT BEING CLEAR *GAH* WHY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??? *words*. Really, making mountains out of molehills is not the way to go!

For the record:

And how does posting your resources on a website or other public venue, where they could be downloaded individually, make them all the more protected than putting them unencrypted with your game?

Did I say anything about a place where you could download images individually? Here, read this and you'll get what I'm saying. Unless you decide to ignore this as well.

I am honestly finding arguing with you very embarrassing because it's apparent that amaterur game-making makes up at least half of your life. Your talk of "human decency" and "professional ethics" regarding stealing indie resources of all things honestly makes me want to log off the internet and walk far, far, away, in the fear that I'll run into more people like you.

Have fun going off on another tangent because I'm probably not going to read this topic again. Running a fever while trying to help a very passionate game maker person make sense of what you're saying isn't the best way to go about the evening.

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Your "open source" relationship came out of left field with seemingly no precedent.

Karsuman called me an "open-source dipshit" on IRC before I made that post. That's where I got the idea from.

*words*
And yes, I consider using other artists' original resources from their games without permission to be akin to theft.

In the end this boils down to a difference of opinion, because I don't really see how stealing amateur development resources can relate to petty thievery (honestly I find the idea ludicrous)

My analogy is closer to the matter because said statue in the front yard is owned by the house owner, is out in the open, and is not inside some locked case. Not to mention it is stationary and meant to be shown to the public, just as how an artist's resources are displayed within a game.

Not in a crowded place though, where it's easier to steal items (honestly I think the RM community is pretty saturated nowadays). Not to mention more people = more likely thieves.

Your analogy suffers from being a false analogy because it assumes everyone in the RPG Maker community is a dirty thief with no morals whatsoever.

No, but there are a handful of pickpockets wherever you go, so why take such risks?

If you waved said phone in the public of, say, Times Square New York City where everyone else has a cell phone, then no one would really give a damn about it.

You just changed my analogy to something else, so er..point being?

Also, photographers can be quite anal about where their photos are displayed, and how they are displayed. :)

Well that's just photographers for you I guess.

You said RPG Maker was not the right venue for showcasing professional work. What I stated was that RPG Maker did not need to be involved in showcasing work at all, but instead directly linking your work to one's portfolio. If an artist created one million character sprites for various games, he/she would only need to link directly to the sprites, and not refer to the games they were used in.

Yeah, this is what I think in regards to showing off artistic talents (if that's your aim, so I'm talking in general terms again). In such cases, I think it'd be easier to prevent people from stealing your resources, don't you?

You came off as someone who was looking for reasons to justify pilfering original resources from unlocked games. The music situation really is only the tip of the iceberg; if they don't want you to steal resources, then it shouldn't be a matter of you finding loopholes to give yourself excuses.

Security flaws are far from loopholes, mate. VX and XP should have had some sort of inbuilt encryption system I think.

We're all people who share a common interest in making and playing indie games, why even bother thinking of disrespecting your brethren like that?

Because it makes good discussion?