ZYDIN'S PROFILE

author=Red_Nova
An unconscious connection is an incredibly unfair angle to take, as it can neither be proven by you nor disproved by me. If you really believe this to be true, then there's nothing more for us to talk about because nothing is going to convince you otherwise.

You're entitled to your opinion, man, and I can't change your way of thinking. But if you're going to make a public, essay-length post digging up quotes from me and calling out unity for some preconceived notion of hypocrisy, then you're going to need an argument more grounded than "I was influenced, I just didn't know it!"

I have presented quotes and connections that may be absolutely wrong and have no validity anywhere else but in my head. So, please allow me to ask, why do I sense some aggravation from you about this?

If you felt I offended you guys, I am truly sorry.
Like I said, my love for ALONE may have gotten in the way of my objectivity.

Are the quotes adulterated in any way? I assure you I did not tamper with what I presented. I'd never do that.

Peace, man.

author=Red_Nova
Those are some pretty desperate connections you're drawing there, Zydin. Enemies blocking progress? Psychological interactions with the world? Do you really and truly think that these ideas have never been explored in a game before? If so, then all I can do is encourage you to play more games, because there is a MASSIVE amount of awesome stuff you need to see.

To set the record straight, nothing in Strawman was influenced by Iddalai's game. Hell, "ALONE" didn't even cross my mind until you brought it up. The main inspirations I take for my games are survival horror (specifically Silent Hill) games and the Shin Megami Tensei series. Just so you know, you can find the points you brought up in those games, which predate anything either Iddalai or myself has made.

Even if there was truth to your claim, asking me to credit a creator for such vague concepts that nobody can claim as their own, like surprise stat reductions or naming conventions for weapons, is just foolish. Iddalai was not the first to use any of those concepts in "ALONE" so please don't try to claim otherwise.

"ALONE" is a great game, as I have stated. However, nothing about it influenced any design decision for Strawman.

Regards,
Red_Nova
(A member of the crowd welcoming the main character at the end of Iddalai's game)

Oh, I'm not desperate at all. Don't take it that way.
It must then have been some unconscious connection you weren't aware of, perhaps? Happens all the time. I wasn't asking for actual credit for iddalai (as in having participated in the making of the game), but merely a mention of thanks for his influential ideas.

By the way, Shin Megami Tensei's games are absolutely great, I totally agree, as are all Silent Hill. Still, none of them popped to mind when trying out Three Cheers (which is, as I said, a great game indeed). ALONE did, immediately - maybe due to my love for that game.

I know you were in ALONE as well :-) Not many had the honor.

author=Ratty524

author=Zydin
I didn't use the term "rip off". Having not played ALONE, you are not in a position, I'm afraid, to understand my presented points.

Huh? Oh shit, my bad. I DID actually play ALONE, back when it was released for that one RMN event. The "haven't" is a typo for "having."

I'm still waking up. -_-

Oh, ok. Then you are in a position to understand, sorry :)

author=Ratty524
Imma add some confirmation for unity and Cash's post, haven't played ALONE myself.

The two really aren't alike. Sure, they share similar themes, but that's like demanding that the team behind Sonic the Hedgehog should give credit to the team behind Super Mario Bros because it has platforming. Red Nova's game is an alternate take behind a pre-existing idea, which iddalai isn't even the first to utilize. Inspiration is WAY DIFFERENT from ripping off something.

So no, Red Nova doesn't need to do anything. :/

I didn't use the term "rip off". Having not played ALONE, you are not in a position, I'm afraid, to understand my presented points.

author=unity

author=Zydin
So, in both your opinions there was absolutely no influence and no credit should be given by Red Nova?

Yes. Red_Nova has been making psychological games like this far before ALONE and the similarities are minor, not to mention that games have explored similar things long before Iddalai's game.

Yes, well there were already plenty of games using classes like Mage, Warrior and Rogue or the cursor buttons to move and that doesn't mean they influenced each other directly. The source ideas are the same and other subsequent games build on them as foundations, but it's the specifics I'm talking about.

I think Red Nova's game is great, but I just think he should credit Iddalai for, at the very least, giving him good specific ideas for his project, that's all.

Moreover, I have little doubt, having read what he said about ALONE, that when Red Nova logs in here again and reads my points, he will simply accept it and acknowledge that he just forgot to mention Iddalai's ideas. It's no big deal.
Like I said, I took it as praise for Iddalai and I think Iddalai will too, when he logs in to this post too.