WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW?

I'll miss YDS (cause she made cool stuff, not cause she's a nice person - she's not)

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

author=Ciel

author=Karsuman
The stuff I said

The stuff Ciel said

I will concede to you that I do not know the exact number of topics/posts removed, because, well, they have been removed, and I was not here. I don't regard what Strangeluv said as particularly offensive, though it was (along with many of the posts that were made) disruptive. This entire situation could have been handled better, no doubt, not going to deny that. I will apologize for being inaccurate on this point if I was.

BUT...

My post was not just regarding what has been posted on this site. Most of what I said in the post you copy-pasted (save the one bit) had nothing to do with what was posted on RMN, and it's the off-site stuff that actually made me angry.

And that's about all I have to say.

My post was not just regarding what has been posted on this site. Most of what I said in the post you copy-pasted (save the one bit) had nothing to do with what was posted on RMN, and it's the off-site stuff that actually made me angry.

Why does "off site stuff" effect the way RMN is moderated?

duuuuu okay

what off site stuff 'made you angry'

Here's how I see things.

I'm not saying I agree with how things were handled on either side, but I was around to watch the heart of it unfold, and everything plays out pretty much as I imagined it would.

For the record, I'm not about censorship, lest it be stupid image macros (several of which I removed) or something overtly offensive. To that effect you'll only see posts which I have edited.

But I'm not distancing myself from the actions of site administration. The post deletions were all about damage control. Magi knew he would lose mod privileges after pulling his prank (not necessarily guessing he would get banned, but maybe). So, he and his friends sat back and waited for the reaction (purely for the lulz). The reaction came, it was decided he would be banned, then we in turn waited for the fallout. As expected, it came. As expected, it was from friends of Magi (trying not to use the all-encompassing #shmup term here, Ghost, but it wouldn't be incorrect). That is to say, if we take legitimate action against Magi (or Ciel, or Strangeluv, etc), mounting a response for the inevitable inquisition is pointless. If Magi had just lost his mod privileges, we probably would have heard comments from the same people.

Bottom line, Magi trolled RMN. His friends knew he was trolling RMN, they knew Magi doesn't care for the site's current staff and/or policies, they knew this would get him in trouble. Are the responses questioning why the action against Magi was taken really so sincere? I don't think that they are. They just permit Magi's trolling to perpetuate. Site admin saw this, gave people a chance to drop the issue, then deleted posts/banned Strangeluv when they wouldn't. Felipe's post deletions were collateral damage, as he likely just found himself an unwitting stowaway on the propaganda bandwagon.

This is where it would have been better for us to take the high road by humoring the responses and explaining why Magi was banned. Strangeluv might have been spared a ban, we might have prevented YDS and tardis from leaving, but the slight against RMN would have remained the same; regardless of what path was taken, Magi's posse would have obtained the ammunition they needed to point the finger right back at us and shout about how awful the staff is (you can see evidence of this in how the questions were framed around Magi's experience and contributions to the site). All of it is just trolling, we were meant to look bad either way.

Think Magi's prank was harmless? Not necessarily. His post in the Featured Game forum was laced with derision for RMN staff and/or site policies, and before action was ever taken against him, he considered this his resignation. It's just trolling; he's been warned in the past about it, allowed to get away with it for a long time because of his position here, and we took action as we would have against any other troll who's been warned. The sad thing is, he and most of the core #shmup members actually do contribute to projects in their respective game profiles, as they say. This is what I personally love about RMN. A lot of us feel this way. Any notion this whole debacle may have given you about how RMN administration is just some kids who have a following on the internet and enjoy laying down the law just because they can simply isn't true. We don't want to abandon the forums as some troll playground, despite how you may personally feel about it.

I'm thinking about how I have too much stuff going on all the damn time.

I basically agree with everything SFL said.

author=Ocean
Well you are basically wrong then.

(See above)

Oh okay. I'm totally convinced now. Thanks Ocean for clearing that up.

I am thinking about how you're all total douchebags. Every last one of you.

Especially that no good prussian spy geodude, everything is his fault.