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Closecan't wait until the anti-shmup hivemind refuses to read ciel's post on the grounds that it is "probably more trolling"
edit: oh no my seizure avatar is gone :(
author=Saileriuslol yes very "effective"
I'm glad this issue was dealt with quickly and effectively by the site staff.
edit: oh no my seizure avatar is gone :(
author=Cielauthor=S. F. LaValleNope. We were talking about the next featured game. Magi noted that, with only a couple hours left until the next feature was put up, it would be a funny joke if he put up a game that is universally recognized by RMN members as humorously bad. Some people said 'lol do it'. Magi did it. You can believe it was a malicious 'troll' done to damage RMN (a silly thing to do considering the end-of-the-month timing, the forewarning given in the Featured Game topic, and the knowledge that it would be seen by an administrator immediately), or you can believe it was a gag capitalizing on a silly game that has become an RMN inside joke. A really damaging maneuver would have been to at least make an attempt to make the feature look genuine, without the goofy misspelled text. But then again I don't know what game could have been selected that is more embarassing than something RMN would actually feature, such as Fable of Heroes.
Magi knew he would lose mod privileges after pulling his prank (not necessarily guessing he would get banned, but maybe). So, he and his friends sat back and waited for the reaction (purely for the lulz). The reaction came, it was decided he would be banned, then we in turn waited for the fallout. As expected, it came. As expected, it was from friends of Magi (trying not to use the all-encompassing #shmup term here, Ghost, but it wouldn't be incorrect). That is to say, if we take legitimate action against Magi (or Ciel, or Strangeluv, etc), mounting a response for the inevitable inquisition is pointless. If Magi had just lost his mod privileges, we probably would have heard comments from the same people.
I can honestly say nobody expected him to be banned. Your extensive extrapolation of everyone's thoughts and intentions is a little absurd and dangerously close to conspiracy theory. You seem to be thinking of shmup as some sinister mastermind trolling organization that orchestrated an elaborate scenario to make RMN look bad. That is simply not the case. RMN was made to look bad most of all by Holbert's penchant for wanton censorship, something we could not possibly have predicted because it is so asinine as to be inconceivable.
If Magi had lost his mod privileges nobody would have cared. Everyone knows he has been inactive in that capacity since the change in administration. I have no reason to be false about anything I am saying here - I am not petitioning for a revoke on his ban or anyone else's ban as I no longer particularly care if who is present at this site or not.
Lastly, you would in fact be wrong by clumping all possible opposition to staff actions on this matter in with #shmup. There were numerous individuals I have never heard of who voiced their support for Magi and SLuv. Consider the possibility that they may have admirers, friends, and fans as a result of creating popular games in this community and existing in the game making community for ten years. These people cannot possibly all be shmup conspirators.
Thats true.I have never heard of Shmup (what it is, a Irc Channel). i expressed my dislike about the ban because it was a joke, i considered it a joke. I loled when i saw the sonic game as a featured game. I would have never expected a ban from a thing like that.
i suppose that depends on what the effect was supposed to be
alienating all of the best members ~another job well done~
alienating all of the best members ~another job well done~
Odd.
I have a sudden urge to make games.
(From what limited evidence I've seen; Ciel is right in most respects, although I can't say I feel as strongly as he does about what's happened, banning might have been a tad far.)
I have a sudden urge to make games.
(From what limited evidence I've seen; Ciel is right in most respects, although I can't say I feel as strongly as he does about what's happened, banning might have been a tad far.)
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author=ChaosProductionsit's because all those VILE SHMUP TROLLS are gone!!! semper games! ~ the mgmt
Odd.
I have a sudden urge to make games.
edit: for the record the extent of my involvement with shmup is, uh, i posted on MD a few times and generally enjoy their RMN posts more than most
author=Yellow Magic
you want real drama? I've lost my kitchen keys the day before I'm due to move out of this place. this is real drama.
Found them on the bed. Disaster averted.
S. F. LaValle
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@Ciel - You're welcome to view what I said as a theory, I don't deny that it is. First, let me clarify about #shmup (retracting what I might have said just above if necessary); I know each individual is responsible for his or her actions, and most of the people in question just happen to be #shmup members. I realize how easily this argument is made absurd if I replaced "#shmup members" with, say, "black people" in a different context. Regardless of what sort of discussion really does go on in there, it's a stereotype, and I apologize for taking part in it willingly.
I also acknowledge that there were plenty of people not connected with #shmup who responded. I was not addressing them because they would not have known about Magi's banning until someone who did mentioned it, and had already posted their questions to the staff. They could have aligned themselves with SLuv's and others' position for a number of reasons, be it respect for Magi, respect for those who questioned Magi's banning, ignorance of what Magi had done, and genuine discomfort of the punishment given. It's more for these people that I personally would have preferred "taking the high road" as I had mentioned above, since my conspiracy theory was directed at only those who were waiting for the fallout of Magi's prank.
There's no factual basis around what I presented, only circumstantial evidence. It was attempting to put into words what might be going through our heads when the situation presents itself. Primarily, I wanted to deflect the accusations of censorship, or at least apply a more reasonable bias to it.
If you'll allow me to knowingly ignore my above sentiments about #shmup for the sake of brevity, I can put it into more certain terms: admins banned Magi for trolling, and they knew #shmup would retaliate in his defense. The difference in opinion here is "retaliation" from staff's point of view versus "reasonable response" that any other viewer would see. The inevitable response to that would be, "they look like reasonable responses because they are reasonable responses." I'm merely contending that they are not, and that that is why posts were deleted. I am contending that Holb's censorship, while ultimately not what I would have suggested, was not in any way wanton. He gave people the opportunity to talk about it in private, but they decided to make a spectacle instead.
You stated that no one would have cared if he had simply lost his mod privileges. I feel this to be true at a deeper level, but I'm not convinced that someone, be it SLuv or someone else, wouldn't have bit, for laughs.
Lastly, you're right. Magi wasn't trolling RMN. What he did genuinely was a big joke for everyone's amusement. The problem is he just couldn't stop there. He still had to take his little potshot at RMN staff. We're big boys, we can take some ribbing, and some deity knows we've done dumb things. We also know that Magi has for the most part been disinterested in maintaining his role as staff. But we left him to it, left him to contribute however much or little he wished, and since many view the submissions queue to be a dreadful, hopeless place, we were still appreciative of that. And for all the mistakes we've made and people we've angered, I still don't feel us deserving of that level of disrespect. Magi's big joke was at the expense of the staff, and we were particularly vulnerable to it given his position. Trolling the forums is one thing, but pulling our pants down around our ankles up on the main stage is particularly egregious.
It hurts. It undermines the enthusiasm many of us still have for the site, and it perpetuates the idea that RMN is a fish flopping on land, waiting to be put out of its misery. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but I can tell you that Holb and the rest of us don't think so.
For those of you that were still wondering, that should amply answer why Magi was banned.
I also acknowledge that there were plenty of people not connected with #shmup who responded. I was not addressing them because they would not have known about Magi's banning until someone who did mentioned it, and had already posted their questions to the staff. They could have aligned themselves with SLuv's and others' position for a number of reasons, be it respect for Magi, respect for those who questioned Magi's banning, ignorance of what Magi had done, and genuine discomfort of the punishment given. It's more for these people that I personally would have preferred "taking the high road" as I had mentioned above, since my conspiracy theory was directed at only those who were waiting for the fallout of Magi's prank.
There's no factual basis around what I presented, only circumstantial evidence. It was attempting to put into words what might be going through our heads when the situation presents itself. Primarily, I wanted to deflect the accusations of censorship, or at least apply a more reasonable bias to it.
If you'll allow me to knowingly ignore my above sentiments about #shmup for the sake of brevity, I can put it into more certain terms: admins banned Magi for trolling, and they knew #shmup would retaliate in his defense. The difference in opinion here is "retaliation" from staff's point of view versus "reasonable response" that any other viewer would see. The inevitable response to that would be, "they look like reasonable responses because they are reasonable responses." I'm merely contending that they are not, and that that is why posts were deleted. I am contending that Holb's censorship, while ultimately not what I would have suggested, was not in any way wanton. He gave people the opportunity to talk about it in private, but they decided to make a spectacle instead.
You stated that no one would have cared if he had simply lost his mod privileges. I feel this to be true at a deeper level, but I'm not convinced that someone, be it SLuv or someone else, wouldn't have bit, for laughs.
Lastly, you're right. Magi wasn't trolling RMN. What he did genuinely was a big joke for everyone's amusement. The problem is he just couldn't stop there. He still had to take his little potshot at RMN staff. We're big boys, we can take some ribbing, and some deity knows we've done dumb things. We also know that Magi has for the most part been disinterested in maintaining his role as staff. But we left him to it, left him to contribute however much or little he wished, and since many view the submissions queue to be a dreadful, hopeless place, we were still appreciative of that. And for all the mistakes we've made and people we've angered, I still don't feel us deserving of that level of disrespect. Magi's big joke was at the expense of the staff, and we were particularly vulnerable to it given his position. Trolling the forums is one thing, but pulling our pants down around our ankles up on the main stage is particularly egregious.
It hurts. It undermines the enthusiasm many of us still have for the site, and it perpetuates the idea that RMN is a fish flopping on land, waiting to be put out of its misery. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but I can tell you that Holb and the rest of us don't think so.
For those of you that were still wondering, that should amply answer why Magi was banned.
FINAL POST ~ A LEGENDARY LEGEND
I don't want to join in on the baseless conjecture going on, but given Holbert's history of irrational hostility and flippancy towards myself and those within my circle of friends as well as his friendship with WIP (who spontaneously turned on us), I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that he was waiting for any possible excuse or opportunity to be rid of us.
Of course, when such an opportunity came up, he took it and then urged anyone questioning him to discuss it in 'private'. Why would he do this? Why would he delete the offending posts? Why does everything have to be concealed? Probably because he was not confident in the grounds upon which he took these actions and feared retribution from a user base who would question their validity. He was caught stating blatant falsities in IRC when explaining his reasoning to those who questioned him. Why should anyone believe a proven liar's assurances that the deleted posts contained sufficient justification for his questionable actions?
You, for example, are basing your argument on unsubstantiated evidence. You assert that 'Magi went too far and took potshots at the staff'. Where did this happen? When? What did he say? I'll show you the only thing he said that could possibly be construed as a malicious 'potshot', though it would take several leaps of logic to do so;
Maybe he posted something horrifying that was deleted. Guess we wouldn't know if he had.
Other offenses Magi committed (according to Holbert) that were factored into his ban, such as 'uses external forums/IRC to trash the continuance of rpgmaker.net' are also pure fabrication. Where are these instances of 'trashing the continuance'? What did he do? Where did he do them? Why are these things Holbert uses as justification completely unverifiable? Holbert was standing on a house of cards and he knew it - hence the extreme insistence on absolute concealment of all discussion related to the matter. When YDS took him up on a private discussion, this was the result;
"Take it to PM, but all I will do there is tell you to keep quiet some more."
As for your sentiment that the 'prank' reads like the site has its pants around its ankles and is a fish flopping on land, that is a matter of perspective. As I demonstrated earlier, it is significantly more logical given the circumstances of the prank to read it as an in-joke done in good spirits, and kind of bizarre to view it as anything but.
If your immediate inclination is to feel that the site was embarassed and unfavorably exposed, maybe that's a good indication of how you feel about the site in general. A site generally perceived as a high-quality establishment would obviously not appear as though some facade or pretense was endangered by just such a prank, but a site lacking confidence in its own worth might just be taken down a peg. The fact that your thinking on the matter leans towards the latter suggests you, consciously or not, believe RMN to be lacking in some way. Just a bit of 'psychoanalysis' on my part - I'll leave the rest to the true professionals (Dr.Calunio's upcoming sex DBS game).
It is a privilege to post on a privately owned website, yes, but for a site that functions exclusively via user-generated content (and in RMN's case, user-generated funding as well), the participation of the users is also a privilege to the owner. If not for their ongoing approval of the site, it would be an empty husk of code floating on the internet, or wouldn't exist at all.
I think this 'ordeal' ending with the voluntary departure of numerous members, revocation of funding from at least one, and the apparent resignation of a fellow administrator is evidence enough to say that Holbert's willingness to endanger the stability of the userbase for the sake of fulfilling a personal vendetta and his subsequent cowardice in dealing with the fallout resulting from his questionable actions makes him wholly undeserving of the reins to any sort of community.
I think I am done bringing logic and reason to this place. It is exhausting to see staggering ignorance time and again from users and staff alike, demonstrate their fallacy with a few very elementary insights, and be met only with sheepish acquiescence. The impression of utter incompetence and mental ineptitude I have received from these people again and again, as well the ongoing failure of promised changes to be made to the site (where are those upvoting/content visibility features Holbert promised just after receiving the funding to buy the server?) make it impossible to have any confidence in RMN's future.
When this site was made GW was on a steep decline, myself and the other ex-GW mods that made the foundation of 'shmup' chose to throw our support behind it and our then-buddy WIP in hopes of a better digital tomorrow. I was the first person to post on the test RMN forums along with Blindmind as soon as WIP finished coding them. I didn't think I would be posting again years later in utter disgust at the direction the site had gone. It is saturated with low-quality content, ignorance, baseless hostility, and as I learned during extensive talks with kentona and SFLavalle, ideas on how to improve the site must be spoon-fed to the staff because they have none of their own. Every effort can be made to give your input but virtually no action will be taken. RMN was great for a time but its failures eventually compounded on themselves and at present it is just another 'infection file' on the eternal datastream.
As our dear departed buddy magi might say; 'ciao'
OMAKE: SECRET CLASSIFIED CHATLOGS ~ THE FALL OF WIP~
I don't want to join in on the baseless conjecture going on, but given Holbert's history of irrational hostility and flippancy towards myself and those within my circle of friends as well as his friendship with WIP (who spontaneously turned on us), I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that he was waiting for any possible excuse or opportunity to be rid of us.
Of course, when such an opportunity came up, he took it and then urged anyone questioning him to discuss it in 'private'. Why would he do this? Why would he delete the offending posts? Why does everything have to be concealed? Probably because he was not confident in the grounds upon which he took these actions and feared retribution from a user base who would question their validity. He was caught stating blatant falsities in IRC when explaining his reasoning to those who questioned him. Why should anyone believe a proven liar's assurances that the deleted posts contained sufficient justification for his questionable actions?
You, for example, are basing your argument on unsubstantiated evidence. You assert that 'Magi went too far and took potshots at the staff'. Where did this happen? When? What did he say? I'll show you the only thing he said that could possibly be construed as a malicious 'potshot', though it would take several leaps of logic to do so;
author=Magi
we the staff at rmn have deliberated in our esoteric secret ninja council and have chosen sonic and the chaos dragons as the next featured game to commemorate the 15th year anniversary of sonic pinball
Maybe he posted something horrifying that was deleted. Guess we wouldn't know if he had.
Other offenses Magi committed (according to Holbert) that were factored into his ban, such as 'uses external forums/IRC to trash the continuance of rpgmaker.net' are also pure fabrication. Where are these instances of 'trashing the continuance'? What did he do? Where did he do them? Why are these things Holbert uses as justification completely unverifiable? Holbert was standing on a house of cards and he knew it - hence the extreme insistence on absolute concealment of all discussion related to the matter. When YDS took him up on a private discussion, this was the result;
Holbert: There are proper outlets for that like PM. What you are doing is simply for show.
Holbert: I guess it's pointless though.
YDS: I don't see what was wrong with what I did. I posted my feedback on the administration on the site in its proper forum.
Holbert: ... the other threads were locked with a request for no more debate on the subject and you don't see what is wrong?
YDS: I didn't see that. I also don't see why the debate has to be silenced.
YDS: Why is public dessent being kept out of the public eye? That's what the feedback forum is for, I thought.
Holbert: That's not the reason why and you know it. Very well.
YDS: But it is th reason.
YDS: I wouldn't risk being banned from a community I have been in for so long and contributed much to myself if it wasn't for something I honestly believe in.
Holbert: Then you do not know the facts.
YDS: what facts?
YDS: What are his other ~ deadly crimes ~?
Holbert: Very well. Continue your game.
YDS: I was just asking an honest question!
"Take it to PM, but all I will do there is tell you to keep quiet some more."
As for your sentiment that the 'prank' reads like the site has its pants around its ankles and is a fish flopping on land, that is a matter of perspective. As I demonstrated earlier, it is significantly more logical given the circumstances of the prank to read it as an in-joke done in good spirits, and kind of bizarre to view it as anything but.
If your immediate inclination is to feel that the site was embarassed and unfavorably exposed, maybe that's a good indication of how you feel about the site in general. A site generally perceived as a high-quality establishment would obviously not appear as though some facade or pretense was endangered by just such a prank, but a site lacking confidence in its own worth might just be taken down a peg. The fact that your thinking on the matter leans towards the latter suggests you, consciously or not, believe RMN to be lacking in some way. Just a bit of 'psychoanalysis' on my part - I'll leave the rest to the true professionals (Dr.Calunio's upcoming sex DBS game).
It is a privilege to post on a privately owned website, yes, but for a site that functions exclusively via user-generated content (and in RMN's case, user-generated funding as well), the participation of the users is also a privilege to the owner. If not for their ongoing approval of the site, it would be an empty husk of code floating on the internet, or wouldn't exist at all.
I think this 'ordeal' ending with the voluntary departure of numerous members, revocation of funding from at least one, and the apparent resignation of a fellow administrator is evidence enough to say that Holbert's willingness to endanger the stability of the userbase for the sake of fulfilling a personal vendetta and his subsequent cowardice in dealing with the fallout resulting from his questionable actions makes him wholly undeserving of the reins to any sort of community.
author=Sailerius
I'm glad this issue was dealt with quickly and effectively by the site staff.
I think I am done bringing logic and reason to this place. It is exhausting to see staggering ignorance time and again from users and staff alike, demonstrate their fallacy with a few very elementary insights, and be met only with sheepish acquiescence. The impression of utter incompetence and mental ineptitude I have received from these people again and again, as well the ongoing failure of promised changes to be made to the site (where are those upvoting/content visibility features Holbert promised just after receiving the funding to buy the server?) make it impossible to have any confidence in RMN's future.
When this site was made GW was on a steep decline, myself and the other ex-GW mods that made the foundation of 'shmup' chose to throw our support behind it and our then-buddy WIP in hopes of a better digital tomorrow. I was the first person to post on the test RMN forums along with Blindmind as soon as WIP finished coding them. I didn't think I would be posting again years later in utter disgust at the direction the site had gone. It is saturated with low-quality content, ignorance, baseless hostility, and as I learned during extensive talks with kentona and SFLavalle, ideas on how to improve the site must be spoon-fed to the staff because they have none of their own. Every effort can be made to give your input but virtually no action will be taken. RMN was great for a time but its failures eventually compounded on themselves and at present it is just another 'infection file' on the eternal datastream.
As our dear departed buddy magi might say; 'ciao'
OMAKE: SECRET CLASSIFIED CHATLOGS ~ THE FALL OF WIP~
Look, I generally stay out of these meaningless debates and ridiculous
...moments, but I wanted to just throw my two cents in there real quick before hopefully getting this at one point in time great thread moving back along to where it does belong.
Firstly, glad to see you posting WIP, I honestly don't give a rats crapper about what anyone has to say, I appreciated your leadership when you were here and was greatly saddened when you resigned (a lot more than you would think). You were, above all others here, always the nicest person to me whenever I ever had an issue... You were the only person that ever remembered me when I went into the mIRC channels and spoke, everyone else would always ask who I was - even though I'd been going on there since around 2007. You always made it a point to remember... Thank you. <3
On the matter of Magi and the others: Magi did something stupid and wrong, he/she (could never remember) did something stupid and rubbed it in the MODs faces and then threw it around for everyone else to see as far as I can tell (and yes, I've read everything since page 372 forward). Do I care? Personally, I'm not a MOD, so I really didn't get effected by his/her stupidity, so no.
Particularly to the MODs of RMN: You had a right to stand up and take care of what has apparently been a problem for a while; how you handled it was up to you, your the MODs. Being a MOD (and I would know, I was one for a loooong time elsewhere) is a blasted, freakin' hard job, its not all sunshine and roses and playing as everyone else seems to think it really is. When you have problems like these, the "out-siders" (as I grew to call everyone that wasn't in the MOD network of things) will always see your actions that were collaboratively thought through by the MOD group and thoroughly discussed as a wrong action, no matter what you do or say. This was a correct move by all of you, imho (once again, due to my own previous experiences), and it doesn't matter how you place it here, its still going to be un-appreciated. I say just drop it.
To the banned: I, for one, will always miss SLuv... I was a very large fan. As for Tardis... You will never be replaced, I don't give a crap on what anyone says... Goodbye. Magi... I didn't know you well, sorry.
Any other comments made about all of this, imo, should either force this thread to be locked or even deleted. Its just one of the things that some times needs to happen... Everyone here was originally asked to not debate it here, yet they did; the MODs were nice enough to answer the questions, now everyone's just throwing crap around. THAT is why they didn't want it brought up here. Of course, I can't tell the MODs what to do with the site, I'm just am apparent no-body that's been here for years that doesn't have any power. I actually prefer it that way, thank you very much. But, I still strongly believe this suggestion and am requesting the MODs take it into consideration. I'm not going to throw my two bits in any further, I'm done, thank you and sorry for any offense this may cause - but, please ask me if I care? I'll tell you (I'm quite blunt), I assure you.
NOW can we please get this moving or risk having the thread locked due to it veering too far off topic or off the threads general meaning? Thank you.
My thoughts?
How am I going to ever get Eriscadia out as a demo on time when I can't get the simplest of things to work!?
author=Despite
rmn drama queen
...moments, but I wanted to just throw my two cents in there real quick before hopefully getting this at one point in time great thread moving back along to where it does belong.
Firstly, glad to see you posting WIP, I honestly don't give a rats crapper about what anyone has to say, I appreciated your leadership when you were here and was greatly saddened when you resigned (a lot more than you would think). You were, above all others here, always the nicest person to me whenever I ever had an issue... You were the only person that ever remembered me when I went into the mIRC channels and spoke, everyone else would always ask who I was - even though I'd been going on there since around 2007. You always made it a point to remember... Thank you. <3
On the matter of Magi and the others: Magi did something stupid and wrong, he/she (could never remember) did something stupid and rubbed it in the MODs faces and then threw it around for everyone else to see as far as I can tell (and yes, I've read everything since page 372 forward). Do I care? Personally, I'm not a MOD, so I really didn't get effected by his/her stupidity, so no.
Particularly to the MODs of RMN: You had a right to stand up and take care of what has apparently been a problem for a while; how you handled it was up to you, your the MODs. Being a MOD (and I would know, I was one for a loooong time elsewhere) is a blasted, freakin' hard job, its not all sunshine and roses and playing as everyone else seems to think it really is. When you have problems like these, the "out-siders" (as I grew to call everyone that wasn't in the MOD network of things) will always see your actions that were collaboratively thought through by the MOD group and thoroughly discussed as a wrong action, no matter what you do or say. This was a correct move by all of you, imho (once again, due to my own previous experiences), and it doesn't matter how you place it here, its still going to be un-appreciated. I say just drop it.
To the banned: I, for one, will always miss SLuv... I was a very large fan. As for Tardis... You will never be replaced, I don't give a crap on what anyone says... Goodbye. Magi... I didn't know you well, sorry.
Any other comments made about all of this, imo, should either force this thread to be locked or even deleted. Its just one of the things that some times needs to happen... Everyone here was originally asked to not debate it here, yet they did; the MODs were nice enough to answer the questions, now everyone's just throwing crap around. THAT is why they didn't want it brought up here. Of course, I can't tell the MODs what to do with the site, I'm just am apparent no-body that's been here for years that doesn't have any power. I actually prefer it that way, thank you very much. But, I still strongly believe this suggestion and am requesting the MODs take it into consideration. I'm not going to throw my two bits in any further, I'm done, thank you and sorry for any offense this may cause - but, please ask me if I care? I'll tell you (I'm quite blunt), I assure you.
NOW can we please get this moving or risk having the thread locked due to it veering too far off topic or off the threads general meaning? Thank you.
My thoughts?
How am I going to ever get Eriscadia out as a demo on time when I can't get the simplest of things to work!?
Space_Monkey
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author=Ciel
Unfortunate that, on account of some occasional, minor friction it's so easy for you and others to forget the genuineness and earnestness with which various #shmup members wanted this site to succeed both as a quality game creation community and in terms of growth and pageviews.
We have observed RMN with particular scrutiny because it was created by a (former) friend and we believed it to be the most promising, last real hope for the RM scene we have participated in for a decade to thrive. One could try to make that case … that our humor has at times been self-serving and fractious, but don't forget that the bulk of #shmup frequenters acted chiefly out of vested interest for this little piece of cyberspace. When this interest seemed to be obstructed our perceived infractions have been directly proportional to our genuine dismay.
So, just because the site’s owner didn’t make your “improvements”, you (“we” above) felt it was your right to shit on others?
I love it when people try to justify bullying or abuse with some bullshit excuse about how they did it to help the person or community. There’s a group of people here who get off mocking the people they deem inferior, who don’t meet their criteria of quality, or simply those who are just too trusting and “bite”. Let me give you an example:
author=cho
im glad that with someone like holbert around, i don't have to worry about anything but my new damage algorithms
http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/8749/
Yeah that thread was a real gem. How dare Holbert or Karusman get in the way of these Robin Hoods of Cool from making “honeypots” to weed out the slow. Drag us kicking and screaming into enlightenment Tyler Durden! If we continue to suck, then just make some more shit mocking us until the talented have reached their potential and the irredeemable have left.
author=geodude
i suppose that depends on what the effect was supposed to be
alienating all of the best members ~another job well done~
Yeah because it’s better to drive away 1k “noobs” who don’t make games as well as we think we do.
Holbert was right. Even if the prank wasn't a big "fuck you" to the site it was still a dick move to whoever made the sonic game. It's like jocks voting the fat and ugly chick to be prom queen just so you can laugh at the irony. But I guess it's ok cuz the school wouldn't let you do the 80's theme that you wanted (and would have made the prom totally awesome).
Stop being a bunch of big fucking babies. You played a joke and it bit you in the ass. You went to holbert's house and kept running your mouth after being told to stfu and it bit you in the ass.
ps. I think you guys can be funny but you're still assholes and this whole ordeal has been pretty fucking retarded.
On one end I can listen to people non stop complain about the site, listen to people complain about how their OH SO SUPERB games don't get the 5/5 stars they masturbate about each night, wade through a bunch of bandwagon dick swingers on all sides protest like its some women's right movement, or read a bunch of attention whoring drivel. (no I'm not pointing this at anyone or any side in particular)
I wasn't here when all this happened, neither do I honestly give a shit, but I only agree with one statement "wasn't the point of rmn to make games?".
I think its a great way to get a free space to show off your project and get feedback and get your game out to the masses other than that it looks like rmn has failed on every aspect of being a game making COMMUNITY. Who was right or wrong in all this doesn't even matter anymore, for the most part the cripple that the rmn community was might as well be buried now. I frankly only idle the rmn irc and recently the #shmup irc simply because I enjoy talking to some members and ex-members of rmn, some of you guys are witty, bless your little 2d hearts.
But look at me, I can't make a game for the life of me, don't post resources, tutorials, barely post anything on the forums and if I do its anti-Prussian garbage, all I got is you guys to keep me here.
I'm drunk, I'm sad, you all broke my heart.
I hope you're happy.
What was the point of this again...?
I wasn't here when all this happened, neither do I honestly give a shit, but I only agree with one statement "wasn't the point of rmn to make games?".
I think its a great way to get a free space to show off your project and get feedback and get your game out to the masses other than that it looks like rmn has failed on every aspect of being a game making COMMUNITY. Who was right or wrong in all this doesn't even matter anymore, for the most part the cripple that the rmn community was might as well be buried now. I frankly only idle the rmn irc and recently the #shmup irc simply because I enjoy talking to some members and ex-members of rmn, some of you guys are witty, bless your little 2d hearts.
But look at me, I can't make a game for the life of me, don't post resources, tutorials, barely post anything on the forums and if I do its anti-Prussian garbage, all I got is you guys to keep me here.
I'm drunk, I'm sad, you all broke my heart.
I hope you're happy.
What was the point of this again...?
Neophyte
155
Why must we sling mud at each other...what does this prove...
My best game making friends are now gone while I am away for the weekend. I'm crying in the bathroom right now. I wish I could have been there. ;(
need sleep.
My best game making friends are now gone while I am away for the weekend. I'm crying in the bathroom right now. I wish I could have been there. ;(
need sleep.
S. F. LaValle
1069
author=Feldschlacht IV
I'm going to fuck you up in some Super Street Fighter IV.
Apparently I need to learn to play that before I move to Seattle.
Also, I should buy you a drink before I leave Pittsburgh!
YDS: I don't see what was wrong with what I did. I posted my feedback on the administration on the site in its proper forum.
Except I've tried to tell you numerous times that the feedback forum is for feedback on the SITE ITSELF, not how you feel you or your friends were "wronged".
http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/8583/
Except I've tried to tell you numerous times that the feedback forum is for feedback on the SITE ITSELF, not how you feel you or your friends were "wronged".
http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/8583/
