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Dudesoft
always a dudesoft, never a soft dude.
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Slow but steady progress on my script is coming along. First graphic novel is going to be 250 pages long, and I'm at 109, with the entire book plotted and segregated to pages. I just need to play with splash pages and pacing a little in my edits later to fill out.
It's been a fun process.
In other news http://www.dudesoft.ca is up and running. Kinda skeletal until I have a few days to set up the meat. A lot of scanning and crap to do still.
slash
APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
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@Dudesoft: Dang, 109 pages is really impressive! I wish I had that kind of endurance :P

@Turkeydawg: yessssss Unity!

author=Yellow Magic
If anyone needs a reason to join the banter on the official IRC channel:

<slash>my life will not be adversely affected if Sai thinks batman is capable of conditioning all humans to believing in the Patriot Act

Oh god, I don't know how we always end up dicussing "is free will a myth?" I think we should start celebrating Existential Fridays.
Happy
Devil's in the details
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100% RMN PRODUCED AUDIO AD, BABY. Check out Lib's cool voice work!

http://rpgmaker.net/users/Happy/locker/SoS_Audio_Advertisement.wav

Music by Lana42 and my superb editing... :D
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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Scott Adams not only agrees that free will is a myth but thinks that in the near future we will have researched advertising enough to make it 100% effective, and it will be possible and commonplace to brainwash every single person on earth to want or believe or do something. Please note that Scott Adams is not an expert in any field except making jokes about business and technology, though, and tends to think that every single fathomable technology is only a few years away.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/117001860731/brainwashing

author=Scott Adams
Someday a store will scan your brain in real time as you enter, learn all of your preferences from the cloud, learn your brain architecture from the cloud, learn your social situation from social media, monitor your pupil size and your breathing, and rapidly A-B test the environment by changing digital ads in the store on the fly until you literally cannot resist making a purchase. In other words, the store will someday be able to reprogram your brain in real time, without your knowledge or approval. They do it already, but not as well as it will someday be done. Today a store can influence you by, oh, say, 5% at any given moment. In the near future that will be 90% or higher. (Source: My colon)

Humans have been quite clever in learning how to program computers. But wait until computers start programming humans. They will be a lot better at it than we are.


This prediction seems to assume physical stores will still exist by then, which I think is quite generous.
nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
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I rarely buy something I don't need and I can't remember the last time a piece of advertising prompted me to buy anything, it usually has the opposite effect. I'm an ad executive's nightmare.
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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author=LockeZ
Scott Adams not only agrees that free will is a myth but thinks that in the near future we will have researched advertising enough to make it 100% effective, and it will be possible and commonplace to brainwash every single person on earth to want or believe or do something. Please note that Scott Adams is not an expert in any field except making jokes about business and technology, though, and tends to think that every single fathomable technology is only a few years away.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/117001860731/brainwashing

author=Scott Adams
Someday a store will scan your brain in real time as you enter, learn all of your preferences from the cloud, learn your brain architecture from the cloud, learn your social situation from social media, monitor your pupil size and your breathing, and rapidly A-B test the environment by changing digital ads in the store on the fly until you literally cannot resist making a purchase. In other words, the store will someday be able to reprogram your brain in real time, without your knowledge or approval. They do it already, but not as well as it will someday be done. Today a store can influence you by, oh, say, 5% at any given moment. In the near future that will be 90% or higher. (Source: My colon)

Humans have been quite clever in learning how to program computers. But wait until computers start programming humans. They will be a lot better at it than we are.


This prediction seems to assume physical stores will still exist by then, which I think is quite generous.


What this quote fails to take into account is that computers will always be designed by humans, which means if they can do something better than humans, it will be because humans designed them that way. No matter how intelligent a computer seems to be, it's information and faculties will always be dependent on the human that put that data there. I am, of course, focusing on the last sentence of that quote. Remember, in those stores of the future, there's a mustachio twirling mad scientist behind those computers.
nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
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Pianotm, one word

Skynet.
So I didn't get to work on my game today, but I did make a Mother's Day picture with my boys. It is acryllic, and they painted a "backdrop" for me, and then I rolled with it.

I haven't painted in years, be kind...

nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
11099
I like the fact this water filled and verdant picture is painted against an article about the barren redness of the Martian landscape.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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So tantalizingly close to 100,000. Geeeeeeeez, it's like waiting for Christmas.
I think it's actually really pretty. You can tell the kids had fun helping make it and it's a lot more personal for that fact.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=nhubi
I rarely buy something I don't need and I can't remember the last time a piece of advertising prompted me to buy anything, it usually has the opposite effect. I'm an ad executive's nightmare.

This is probably discernable and actionable data though, once people figure out how to use it to manipulate you.
CashmereCat
Self-proclaimed Puzzle Snob
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Today I learned that the founder of Mother's Day, Anna Jarvis, saw the holiday become so highly commercialized that she ended up opposing the holiday she helped create. She ended up getting arrested protesting against Mother's Day, and she died in 1948, regretting what had become of her holiday.
nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
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author=LockeZ
author=nhubi
I rarely buy something I don't need and I can't remember the last time a piece of advertising prompted me to buy anything, it usually has the opposite effect. I'm an ad executive's nightmare.
This is probably discernable and actionable data though, once people figure out how to use it to manipulate you.


I wish them luck, if they can somehow overcome my natural scepticism and inherent distrust and convince me whatever it is they are pushing is something I actually need then they deserve my money. Thus far they haven't been able to achieve that end however.

LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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No, you misunderstand. It's not about overcoming your skepticism; it's about taking advantage of it. They have to draw your attention to a product but then convince you that they're doing something other than whatever you believe advertising is. Obviously if you realize they're advertising, it won't work. But many forms of advertising are so subtle that almost no one realizes they're happening. The layout of items listed on a well-made sign or a menu, for example, uses complex graphic design theories to draw your eye naturally to certain parts; the parts that are most profitable for the company. The way items are arranged on a shelf is done similarly. Even if you're trained to look for such things they often still work; but data can be gathered on which people they don't work on, and the menus and shelves can be rearranged automatically in a different manner when those people are looking at them. In the future, Google will not only have data about what you buy, but also about which aspects of marketing you are keen to and intentionally try to subvert, and they will subvert your subversion.

Preferably, in order to fully take advantage of your distrust of advertising, they then need to also convince you that that they're trying to convince you to not buy their products. As you said; the process you call "advertising" has the opposite effect on you. So they need to play mind games on you, and convince you that they're advertising for the opposite of their product.

Anyway, obviously some level of advertising works on you, because you have bought things. What did you eat for lunch today? What are you wearing right now? What was the last video game you bought? You picked those things out based on some criteria. The factors that led to those purchases can be replicated.
Yellow Magic
Could I BE any more Chandler Bing from Friends (TM)?
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#NoFreeWill
nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
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Of course advertising works to a limited degree, I don't live under a rock, but even the subtler stuff seems to stand out to me most of the time. 'Casual' product placement jumps out of the screen or image as false, rearranging the content on the shelves in stores annoys me and makes me buy less, native advertising designed to mimic articles and editorials always reads or looks wrong, as do certain 'user' reviews. Do they draw my eye, yes, do I buy because of it, no. I image the more subtle stuff is getting in, but like I said they're getting past my defences so they've done the work and should get the money. If Google is tracking what I'm buying they've invested in invisible drones to follow me around since I buy very little online.

Though to answer your questions, homemade soup, a towel and Child of Light - and that was because of Liberty, which I image qualifies as third party advertising.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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So if you buy one item that is a soup ingredient, it sounds like supermarkets should rearrange their shelves to put indulgence items that you have been known to buy in the past, such as sweets or chips that you like, on the way to the other ingredients. They should also put soup ingredients that you're known to have bought in the past in front of you if they detect from your biochemical readings that you are hungry for salty, wet foods. And if game developers want you to buy their games, they should focus on getting you to recognize them as people and respect their commitment to your community, instead of trying to get you to care about the games themselves. They should also focus on advertising to your friends. And I guess clothing stores should skip over the bathrobes when showing you their wares?

Google knows a lot more about your purchases than you think, since they probably have access to your bank and credit card records by striking deals with the financial conglomerates. Your phone's GPS tracks your movements; Google certainly has that info. They know every store you went in since you bought that phone, and how much time you spent on every aisle, and even which way you were facing. If you don't have a phone they probably still have the CCTV records of many of the larger chain stores, which they have probably struck deals with, and they have much better facial recognition software than the CIA.

...Okay, so most of that isn't happening yet. But it will be fifty years from now.
nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
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Eh 50 years from now we'll probably all have died from the coming apocalypse, or I'll be living on the Moon, they can advertise the newest scented oxygen to me there.

Oh and because this is fun, all the ingredients in my soup were sourced from a community garden, I do own a bathrobe, same maker as my towels I just wasn't wearing it when I responded, and yes if they want to spend the time creating fake accounts on a community website and convincing me they are a real person who contributes and has opinions I can recognise and value, then once again, they've done the work, they get the reward.
I am totes not a fake.


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