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studios (ie: typical source of modding communities) tend not to care about their assets. of course there is no conversation

is it not explicit that the argument is re: people who do care. what are you talking about. clue me in

Alright, maybe I'm fucked up here. Did I not stumble into another "RIPS...EVIL???" conversation or no? The fact that I haven't seen that be an issue for well, anyone, beforehand historically as a gamer, as long as its free hobbyish stuff, is what I'm referring to.

What are you talking about? I don't mean that in a rude way or anything! Maybe I'm chipping in a conversation from the wrong angle or something, feel free to correct me!
lockez says that mary is evil if she doesnt let people use her music in their video games

i said lockez has accumulated no relevant experience that allows him to conceive of all the possible reasons why she might decline to grant permission except for the one that makes sense to him in terms of his own experiences which is apparently that mary is a selfish asshole

which is, in effect, a kind of projection of himself more than anything else
lol yeah i dig it

No, I don't disagree with any of that, but my contribution (?) to the conversation wasn't a continuation/addition of you and LockeZ's convo, just an additive to the general convo itself.

Sorry for the confusion!
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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No, I'm not saying I can't imagine other reasons for not wanting to let people use your stuff. I'm just saying those reasons are less important than creating art. The only reason anyone I ask ever gives me about why it shouldn't be allowed is because the original artist benefits from it somehow, which does make that artist a selfish asshole - they care more about themselves than about art. If you have a different reason than benefitting the artist, then my generalization about selfishness doesn't apply to you.

It was a generalization that I think applies to most of the cases I will personally encounter, not an intrinsic truth written into the U.S. Bibletution that I would bet my life on in every single circumstance. This is a thing people do in internet arguments where one person says "I think a thing" and the other person is like "Oh so you can't imagine any possible situation where that's not the case? You would have sex with Hitler to uphold that idea?" and then someone starts citing sources and it gets unpleasant. Let's not do that.
The thing is, game creation is like any other artistic endeavour in that it is also a business. You may paint for the sake of painting but are you expected to get nothing back from doing so? Because the cost of good paint is fucking ridiculous and if you are saying this then you are basically saying that only rich people should be allowed to create.

Because people deserve money for what they work on and art is work. It's as simple as that. If I could get paid to make games I would gladly allow people to use whatever I made however they liked but alas, I have mouth to feed and bills to pay and life to live and thus require money from it. If the only way I'm getting money is by making others pay to use my shit then hey, I'm gonna do it.





...says the girl who doesn't actually sell her games...

But time is finite and people deserve to have that precious time compensated if they can't get money just to live. And if the only way for them to get compensated is to charge money for what they create I have 0 issues with that.








That aside: http://rpgmaker.net/events/goldenage/
For those not participating in the IGMC (or even those who are and want something else to do).
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I don't think only rich people should be able to create art. On the contrary. I think creating art is worth being poor over.

However, I'm not saying not to sell your art. I'm just saying not to sue people for making derivative works. I guess if all you make is 3D graphic resources that can only be sold to other artists and not to the public, this might not be much of a distinction. Having that job with my philosophy would be a ROUGH LIFE and so I would highly recommend that those people ignore me, unless they don't mind 100% of their income coming from a second job.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=Wikipedia: Keep the Aspidistra Flying
LockeZ has 'declared war' on what he sees as an 'overarching dependence' on money by leaving a promising job as a copywriter for an advertising company called 'New Albion'—at which he shows great dexterity—and taking a low-paying job instead, ostensibly so he can design games. Coming from a respectable family background in which the inherited wealth has now become dissipated, LockeZ resents having to work for a living. The 'war' (and the game design), however, aren't going particularly well and, under the stress of his 'self-imposed exile' from affluence, LockeZ has become absurd, petty and deeply neurotic.


Yeah that sounds about right
Dudesoft
always a dudesoft, never a soft dude.
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Why do I lack the patience to find a perfect character design before leaping into the fire?
As much as I love that people enjoy our Spy vs Spy nods, the central characters are uber simple, dragging the support / background cast down with them. I'm not really satisfied eith this aspect.
author=Dudesoft
Why do I lack the patience to find a perfect character design before leaping into the fire?
As much as I love that people enjoy our Spy vs Spy nods, the central characters are uber simple, dragging the support / background cast down with them. I'm not really satisfied eith this aspect.

try not to fall into the trap of creeping up the scope of the work simply because it doesn't match your idealized generalized vision.

Spy v Spy has simpler characters, so work within those boundaries. For your urge to make more complex characters, start a different work. Spy v Spy will be better for it if you keep it consistent.
author=LockeZ
No, I'm not saying I can't imagine other reasons for not wanting to let people use your stuff. I'm just saying those reasons are less important than creating art. The only reason anyone I ask ever gives me about why it shouldn't be allowed is because the original artist benefits from it somehow, which does make that artist a selfish asshole - they care more about themselves than about art. If you have a different reason than benefitting the artist, then my generalization about selfishness doesn't apply to you.

It was a generalization that I think applies to most of the cases I will personally encounter, not an intrinsic truth written into the U.S. Bibletution that I would bet my life on in every single circumstance. This is a thing people do in internet arguments where one person says "I think a thing" and the other person is like "Oh so you can't imagine any possible situation where that's not the case? You would have sex with Hitler to uphold that idea?" and then someone starts citing sources and it gets unpleasant. Let's not do that.


i dont believe that you can imagine the reasons, and if youve contrived to formulate them for the sake of argument, then i dont believe that you can appraise them. i see a difference between knowing the reasons and having had to profoundly consider them within the context of the self. this is what i mean by difference in perspective

furthermore 'creation of art' doesnt in every case justify any means necessary to enable it. if you have policies or views which are practical for you and limited to you personally, then you have to consider your own output in that same practical and limited scope. you dont get to assign other peoples positions your personal generalizations and then empower your own position with lofty concepts like 'art' and 'beauty' and automatically assume that your actions are beyond examination. do you truly understand 'art' or 'beauty', or do your works stand up to the standards of art and beauty to the same extent that you invoke the power of these concepts to explain your behavior
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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Ed Gein used other people's bodies without their permission (via murder and grave-robbing) to make upholstery from their skin and bowls from their skulls. Art.
When did game making turn into the fucking Human Instrumentality Project?
Dear Striving For Success,

This is an excellent question and I'm going to answer it as simply and as directly as I can, with the hopes that it makes the point as clear and as helpful as possible.

The traditional modern concept of success — being the measurement of monetary income as the primary indicator of effort and mastery in a certain field — is essentially a scam, a con, and a lie. To equate success with an amount of money earned, or an amount of fame achieved, is at best an unfortunate miscomprehension of the very nature of success. At worst, it's a malicious distortion.

To truly succeed at something is to devote yourself to what you love, and to allow that devotion to bring out the best and most admirable qualities inside of you, so that in the end, you ultimately succeed at the only effort that really matters: becoming a better person than you were.

The musician whose efforts in music only add to the size of their bank account is really just a businessperson — a successful banker, not necessarily a successful musician. If music is the means to an end, and that end is money, the music might as well be real estate investment, or commodity trading. Individuals whose primary interest in music is positioning themselves to impress others with their style and wealth may be successful marketers and salesmen, but they're not successful musicians, or even successful human beings. They're just rich.

The idea that making money is the best indication of success is fundamentally flawed. Far too often the individuals who make the most money are the biggest failures in every other area of life, most notably those related to personal integrity, kindhearted values, and quality of character. Many people think that achieving material success is worth total sacrifice in every other part of their life — but it couldn't be further from the truth. Success in one area of life should enable further and more meaningful success in all the other areas, too. Success materially and failure spiritually is no success at all.

Furthermore, success is not power over others, but discipline over oneself. Success is not doing whatever one wants, but doing what one is truly meant to do. Success is not fulfilling one's most immediate desires, but fulfilling one's true purpose — and fulfilling it despite obstacles, inconvenience, or how much it differs from what one otherwise feels like doing.

At best, the typical material conception of success inspires the shallowest and most superficial type of selfish ambition, and at worst, it keeps one hopelessly locked in a cycle of perceived failure, vicious competition, and unfulfilled lustful desire. It's set up from the start as a losing game, so that no one can ever really succeed, because in the contest to see who is "biggest" or "richest," no one ever really wins. You just keep scheming and clawing and battling, getting closer to emptiness and further from the truly worthwhile things in life.

Music, like all the arts, is a sacred pursuit. It is an end in itself. The reward of playing music is in the joy of experiencing it, and a successful musician is the person who becomes so connected with that spirit of music that he or she becomes inseparable from it. The successful musician aspires to be music itself.

So, for you to be a successful musician, all you have to do is really, really love playing music. Really, really, really love it. Worship it and adore it and turn yourself over to it. And then allow the music to make you a better person from the inside out, not just a richer person or a more famous person, but a more valuable person to the people around you and to the world, and to yourself.

Now go put all the energy you've spent worrying that you're not successful enough into just playing and loving your instrument. If you can say that you're in love with playing it, you can say that you're successful. Never give up on what you love. It's what makes life worth living.


Andrew W.K.
slash
APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
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I totally agree with Andrew W.K. there... with the caveat that it'd be nice to be able to work on what I love and also afford food and shelter, and maybe also have a little free time to relax sometimes. I don't think it's selfish to wish for a world where we all had a little more time to do the things that make us happy!

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionate-about-then-do-31742
TehGuy
Resident Nonexistence
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>see someone on internet who's name/username contains name of someone I know

>always wonder if I actually know them

>never ask out of fear of seeming odd (because, after everything's been said and done, this is somehow an issue even though I have no trouble making an oddity of myself in public spaces)

>forever stuck wondering

It's why I hate the internet sometimes
author=slash
I totally agree with Andrew W.K. there... with the caveat that it'd be nice to be able to work on what I love and also afford food and shelter, and maybe also have a little free time to relax sometimes. I don't think it's selfish to wish for a world where we all had a little more time to do the things that make us happy!

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionate-about-then-do-31742

nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
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author=TehGuy
>see someone on internet who's name/username contains name of someone I know

>always wonder if I actually know them

>never ask out of fear of seeming odd (because, after everything's been said and done, this is somehow an issue even though I have no trouble making an oddity of myself in public spaces)

>forever stuck wondering

It's why I hate the internet sometimes

Ask anyway. 'Hey XXX, you wouldn't happen to be XXY from over at blah-blah-com would you?' Worst you can get is a 'nope, never heard of them' type response. Then again they could be the same person and want to keep those two lives separate, which is the beauty of PM's, they can drop you a line and let you know without compromising the new persona. I've got about three names I use online, two have some characters in common and I have been asked by someone who knew me under one of them about the other. When I asked about it they said they recognised similarities in my 'voice', and I didn't see an issue with that.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=TehGuy
>see someone on internet who's name/username contains name of someone I know

>always wonder if I actually know them

>never ask out of fear of seeming odd (because, after everything's been said and done, this is somehow an issue even though I have no trouble making an oddity of myself in public spaces)

>forever stuck wondering

It's why I hate the internet sometimes


I had this moment going into 6th grade. I met an "Alyssa" on Diablo 1 and it turned out one of my homeroom classmates names was Allison. I got up the nerve to ask her in gym early on if she plays any online games and she said "nope". That was that.
Welp.

I'm back... again.

Basically, a lot of shit's happened to me over the past few months since I've been away so I haven't had the time to stay active on here or even the internet in general. I'd rather not parrot what happened to me in this thread or elsewhere, so anyone's who's curious enough can PM me or w/e. It's a long story.

Ultimately, though, i hav returnd and I'm planning on staying for quite some time and not just leaving after a few days of random posts like I unfortunately had a habit of doing before. This place has grown on me the past few years or so I've known it so just up and leaving it for good would honestly suck.