WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW?

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If there was no civilization before Adam and Eve, exactly how did Cain find Nod, get a wife, and build Enoch? And if he built Enoch and populated it with Adam and Eve's inbred children, doesn't kind of undermine the whole "fugitive and a vagabond" thing? Also, when he was "cast away" what people were he worried about slaying him if there was no civilization before Adam?

It's suggested that by the time Adam and Eve die of old age, because of their long life spans, 32,000 people would likely have been born from their children, grandchildren, and so forth, but it seems like Cain would have to be kind of old by the time he killed his brother if there are that many people from Adam and Eve. Sorry, but the Bible seems to debunk the whole "Adam and Eve were the first people" thing all by itself.

Sated
Was I supposed to have one?

Well, I mean, you picked a fight over it and pushed it to this point.

Funny the contradictions you get in religion, though. Adam and Eve clearly aren't a metric for the acceptability of inbreeding because all of the problems that the tale of Cain and Abel raises. Lot getting date raped by his own daughters on the other hand seems to fly right by, until you realize that Original Sin demonstrated by Adam and Eve clearly show that the woman's sin doesn't matter (Eve eats the fruit first, yet clearly it doesn't count until Adam eats the fruit), and Lot is clearly the victim here. If Lot had raped his daughters, the story would have been very different.

The implications are that women don't matter, and at this point, inbreeding is still not a good thing. If it was, you'd think that the ancient Jewish Rabbis and Christian priests wouldn't have been so averse to including Jubilees among the canon scripture (a book that clearly, in no uncertain terms claims that Adam and Eve populated the Earth through inbreeding.).

Then you have the issue that Eve is made from the rib of Adam, decisively making her his sister. When we get to actual biology, there's a serious issue here. Inbreeding is a dice roll. Kid ends up normal has good odds in a single case of inbreeding, but the odds of deformity goes up exponentially as inbreeding stacks. That means, Adam and Eve could reasonably get away with inbreeding, with only relatively few of their kids having serious problems related to inbreeding, but their kids weren't going to be as lucky, and their grandkids definitely couldn't do it. Unless, of course, they had experienced geneticists on hand to pair up the kids for optimal breeding matches, but hey! God provides, amirite?

EDIT: I'm sorry: I prefer to follow a religion that doesn't take itself as absurdly seriously as Christianity.

Most people seem to think that inbreeding effects in the first generation of breeding - not true. It can but overall it doesn't. What it does is set up genetics to create issues if inbreeding continues by making the genes of the offspring weaker and more prone to causing issues each generation.

It is completely possible to inbreed for a few generations with only a few problems popping up here and there. Kill of the weird ones and don't let their genetics pass on, breed only those who are healthiest and you can breed your way into shorter-lived, less-intelligent but more adaptable species.

Certain dog and cat breeds had this happen to them. They didn't die off from it and while it did change the species, they are still capable of breeding.

Now supposing Adam and Eve had ten sons and daughters and they all married each other, then they had ten sons and daughters who married their cousins, and they all had ten sons and daughters who married their second cousins, and they had.... and so forth - there would eventually be enough changes between the genetics to establish a kind of race, though they would not be the same as the original parents when it came to pristine genetics.

It would depend on who intermarried with whom and what genetic traits were passed on to each child each time. This doesn't preclude, of course, mutated genes or recessive genes from the original parents that came to bear later down the road.


All that aside, you can also read the "God made Adam from the earth" as God sent a giant meteor to a planet, had it create life there from which slowly humanity grew and spread. It's a very loose way of reading it but it's not like the Bible goes into great detail about the actual creation of any of the species. ^.^

author=Liberty
Most people seem to think that inbreeding effects in the first generation of breeding - not true.

That's good news for my cousin.

author=Corfaisus

author=Liberty
Most people seem to think that inbreeding effects in the first generation of breeding - not true.

That's good news for my cousin.

Sadly, I actually know that feel. :/

author=Delsin7
It wasn't unusual for first cousins to marry way back when. Coupling that with complex marriage systems, close incest taboos, and arranged marriages, its almost like they understood too much inbreeding caused problems.

But old culture's couldn't have had intelligent people! They didn't have computers. *OBVIOUS SARCASM IS OBVIOUS*

Cain married a chimpanzee named Lilith. She wasn't up to snuff so he slew her and was cursed forevermore to be a vampire. (Or just slew his brother and got the Douche of the Year award.)

Obviously he killed them both because he found out they were cheating behind his back. Then he tossed his shiny black hair over his shoulder and married my OC, Marianna Wintersbloom, and they had two children with pink and black hair. Twins, called BlackJack and Glorianna, who started manifesting special powers when they were young! But then his daughter fell in love with Bradley, the secret love child of Cain's ex-wife and brother, who was kept hidden from everyone by Eve, who tricked Adam into believing that he was a baby she found on the doorstep.

He also has mystical powers, like being able to see the future, and he's so tragic and gorgeous and wears his glossy long black hair falling over one eye. He likes to listen to Good Charlotte and Nirvana and wears black robes with rips in them. It's no wonder Glorianna fell in love with him! When BlackJack found out he told their dad who demanded that Glorianna stop seeing Bradley, but she hated her dad so they eloped and ran away together, but then they got caught by Noah who was building his ark when they slept a night in his shed and he forced them to help build the ark!

Then the flood came and God helped them stow away on the ark but Noah found them and was going to throw them off but then a lion (the same lion that didn't eat Daniel) ate Noah (he was hungry after not eating Daniel, duh!) and they were saved!


(A/N: DONT STEAL MY OCS! THEYRE MINE!)

...ah, fanfiction~

so eve was still havin kids into her 60s? not impossible

think maybe sterling genetics. god made them so they'd have been best genes ever, then dulled over time and inbreeding = us


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The more likely explanation is that hominids evolved over millenia.

I belong to The Church of Last Thursday.

Last Thursdayism

the proposition that the universe began to exist last Thursday, with the appearance of age and history