MAFIA HOSTS THREAD

It's best to stay away from games with three alignments until we can have a game with two alignments that lasts past three days.

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Mafia shouldn't always win. This is a problem with people balancing their games, and maybe a general lack of scumhunting because people just go nuts over flavor and what is canon in anime/mythology to the exclusion of scumhunting.

Hopefully games run with flavor that's just creative writing and not based on DBZ will not have this problem. This was only avoided in Higurashi because nobody has any idea what the heck Higurashi is and also because we killed liberty, natch. villainy on the volga will be set in russia, so maybe this will be mirrormasq's chance to annoy everyone with flavor arguments...

But I think there's definitely a problem with "scumhunting." Mafia in Higurashi won on day five even though one member of the scumteam was modkilled on day 1 without anyone else dying. Real scum tells aren't 'this player lurks' or 'this player only votes for this player' or 'dudesoft' but 'this player knows a little too much' and 'this player is a little too accurate' and 'this player should be lynchable but for some reason it's just never enough'

Scum really should have to have "one" person do the nightkill to the exclusion of any other abilities they might have. For example, a scum rolecop should not be able to investigate and kill, if he is alone.


"????" roles that can choose alignments should never be in games unless you are some kind of genius. There's no way I can think of to balance for them. You would have to make it so that each alignment is not favored unfairly by the ???? role choosing them. And if that was the case, the role would have to be useless or even somewhat detrimental to its chosen faction and its own win condition at some point, which begs the question, why even have it. In Death Note, this role allowed for the scum to just instantly move one day closer to lylo. Not because of anything they had chosen or figured out, just because the dice fell that way.

The mafia was way overpowered in Death Note too. We basically had two ways of controlling the lynch early, meaning that we could effectively lynch whoever we wanted if it looked like town was not going to mislynch two days from lylo. In a situation where no gamebreaking things had occured and nobody was modkilled, the town was already doomed at the start of day 2 to die on day 3 with basically one scenario (that entirely depended on the actions of the independents) allowing for their survival.

but at least it's preferable to the FUCKING REVIVAL ROLES

it's important to balance games so that everyone can actually play and not just get immediately curbstomped by the superior powers of x faction. there is more to this than just 'no serial killers.' i think it's a good idea to run simpler games first before attempting more complicated things so that you get a feel for how certain roles interact with each other. i can't even imagine the chaos that would be caused by anyone here running a 3-alignment game. maybe zeuzio could do it. if he wasn't dead.

that's all

I agree with you 100% on how badly I fucked up DN. I should've started with a smaller game before trying on a big one. I also figured out mafia was heavily overpowered, but too late, which is why I wanted to modkill Despite. Me failing so badly at hosting at the moment is one of the reasons I don't want to host for a while anymore.

As for the three alignment thing, you're right it would probably be very chaotic if not hosted by an experienced hoster. It was only an idea anyway.

In DN mafia was potentially overpowered. But it was 3 of us intead of 4, so no Despite's power. And Cave's double vote pretty much just compensated Despite's vote. So we wasn't in practice. Still, with Despite and without fails it could've been an easiest 2-day win in history of RMN mafia. So yeah, powers was kinda imbalanced. :)

author=ivoryjones
Chana wasn't modkilled. We voted for her. She even was in time to post at our mason chat. But yeah, you're right, at least it beats revivals. x_x

yeah, but she was going to get modkilled if she wasn't lynched.

I agree with you 100% on how badly I fucked up DN. I should've started with a smaller game before trying on a big one. I also figured out mafia was heavily overpowered, but too late, which is why I wanted to modkill Despite. Me failing so badly at hosting at the moment is one of the reasons I don't want to host for a while anymore.

I wouldn't take it too hard. You just overreached and as far as modding you have a tendency to be a little heavy-handed when you don't have to be and a little too hesitant to take action when you should. (i found out about something that happened in Death Note and it basically horrified me that the game continued after that.) I think you just need a co-mod to help with on-the-fly decisions because, to be fair, you have for some reason had to deal with the most ridiculous bullshit cropping up in your games through no fault of your own.

author=MirrorMasq
Someone's planning a mini-mafia?

I don't know what classifies as a mini-mafia anymore. I'll definitely want 15 people for my game, and if that doesn't happen I'll just have to do something else. I'm probably going to be taking a very light-handed stance against inactive people like Idida and Despite if I can only have fifteen players if they are both in the game, otherwise they are just going to be forced to be replacements. so tell your friends, tell your friends. we must saturate the entirety of rmn with this stupid mafia game and bring about its downfall. ga ha ha

ALSO I'M CHANGING THE FLAVOR AGAIN NOW IT IS MAYAN SETTLERS. PLEASE MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES Z-SLAVE X945

What hyperlink incident, I'm interested?

Edit : btw, it's hammer time Jeroen...

author=chana
What hyperlink incident, I'm interested?

Edit : btw, it's hammer time Jeroen...

Basically, somebody gave the dead lounge hyperlink to a live person. >.< It was all a misunderstanding, nobody wanted to cheat, so I immediately created a new dead lounge and deleted the first one, but I guess I should´ve stopped the game.

Wait wait. Whats this about a dead lounge?

Mind = Blown.

How does it work?

ldida1:
It is a quicktopic (lounge) for players who are dead so they won't get bored and can try to speculate who's mafia and who's not with each other. I didn't come up with this idea. Nope.

so uh, if i do manage to survive past this night, i want to be replaced. i just. dont care about the game anymore.

Also I would like to change my game to "Pirates" thanks

edit: nvm shit just GOT SRS