THE END OF RM2K/RM2K3?

RPG maker xp or ace compare to C is useless and piece of crap. so at the end of the day people, just use whatever you want and be happy with it. What I never understood was why enter rain just didn't do updates to the same program because XP and above are pretty much updates of rm2k to be honest, they just change some things to.make it prettier.

The end has already begun thanks to one Windows 8.

I still use 2k3 for certain projects that warrant the 2k/3 appeal. FoMaMa, MaMaMa and their future games. The thing is that 2k/3 had, by far, the best and easiest-to-use mapping system and for a game that is basically a bunch of maps with atmosphere, well, that - I feel - is the best maker for the job.
That isn't to say that I haven't considered moving the project to Ace eventually, but for the moment I'm happy to use 2k3 for it.

Of course, a lot of my projects are in Ace. My better ones are in 2k3. :\

it's funny that people keep bringing me up as an advocate/missionary/Big Bad because at this point my reaction is pretty much "lol"

like... the engine is shit. I'll keep saying that, but at the same time... this is a hobby, guys, and the engine itself doesn't change the fact that Leo & Leah is probably my most favorite game on this site. at the same time, a project like Star-Stealing Prince is also fabulous and was most definitely easier to reach certain goals with within its engine.

lol

When it becomes impossible to play DDRAW games or 32-bit executables or whatever big shift that will break RM2k games then you'll be able to download wrappers or emulators or apply fixes for it. If I can get Hype the motherfucking Time Quest to work on Windows 7 x64, a game that has trouble on XP, then 2k is going to be a piece of cake when Windows drops a ton of its legacy support in 20 years or whatever.

author=Craze

Itaju

Solitayre
There's nothing you can do in 2k3 that you can't do in the later versions. Saying that limits stimulate creativity is missing the point, because no one is forcing you to use scripts if you don't want to.

Using 320*240-Pixel-aligned graphics without having to edit them first.

welp i just lost all respect for you thanks to this asshole response

I'm glad you did. :)

Thank you for your clarified and detailed answer that lead you to this insult, that just has been strengthened by mentioning a former respect you had for me.


For a more complex comment on this issue:

The main issue people use the makers is to connect with their nostalgia feelings.
It's not coincidence that we find screenshots that resemble all kinds of era of computer games.

Rm2k is the Maker I started with. It's kinda like the SNES that I started to play video games on. I did not play the NES (I'm not that old) and I lost track of Video Games after the Playstation 2. I don't care what kind of games are released today. The only modern games I play are Blizzard games, because they run on my Mac.

Rm2k3 is much more accessible for me to recreate that style I am looking for. Dude, and if somebody says I should switch to a newer maker and there are tools and ways to fix my issues - I don't care. I don't want to learn a new system, because some kid rages in an RMN thread, if I can do everything I want with the engine I got used to (except for pixel based movement - but still not worth the switch).

Now it gets philosophical:

Although nowadays we prefer to write emails and text messages, there are still some people who like to write written love letters to their spouses. In hundred years from now there will still be people who prefer to hold a book in their hands, turn the pages, smell the ink, even though there might be millions of Ebook readers (well in 100 years from now, I think Apple will send the text directly to your brain or something). People still enjoy playing records to playing MP3s, even though former technologies will just be inferior from an objective perspective. I still use Windows XP (that runs Rm2k/3 perfectly) because I hate the newer versions of windows.

In the future there will still be ways to play Rm2k/3 games, even though it might get harder each year. Just like there will still be ways to play your old NES games, even though the consoles, controllers and cartridges will fade to dust.
I don't care if people who start using RPG Makers (who are about the age when I started, 13 or so) use more developed Makers than I grew up with. I don't care. If people get turned on by my screens, they can try to play my game, I'll support them. I am not a commercial maker - It's not a big deal if people got turned off, because they dislike an excellent game just by the engine it was made with. It's like turning down a good book, just because you don't like the cover or the font being used. I'm overall a progressive person. I think progress is essential for both individual development and even the entire human culture. That doesn't mean that I can't enjoy putting down my old controllers, enjoying Secret of Mana, get out my Rm2k3 and be the happiest person on earth.

Cheers.

author=supremewarrior
We also got people here saying people using RM2k3 just plagiarise resources. Well I think with scripting we get loads of people just copying and pasting scripts since RM XP, it doesn't really solve the plagiarism issue now does it?

Stealing graphics from commercial games and using them in an illegally translated RPG Maker is vastly different from using public domain scripts that the authors encourage us to use inside of a legally translated and purchased RPG Maker. I see where you're coming from with that statement, but I disagree and that was a really poor comparison to make.

Plagiarism or not, in both cases you're basically admitting the limit of your creativity is, "I want to make a game that looks like Rudra's Treasure" or "I want to make a game with Yanfly's vision of a turn-based battle system."

Sailerius

Jude
Plagiarism or not, in both cases you're basically admitting the limit of your creativity is, "I want to make a game that looks like Rudra's Treasure" or "I want to make a game with Yanfly's vision of a turn-based battle system.

Except (good) scripts are easily customizable. Most good scripts are frameworks that give you the ability to custom-tailor a system to your needs. If you find a script that matches a system you were planning to implement yourself, then there's no reason not to use it. Focus on making a game, not reinventing the wheel.

Players don't know or care who coded your game. They care that it's fun.

Agreed. And Jude, you can edit FFVI tiles... same with scripts.







These are are the same battle system -- except for the part where I edited the hell out of Yanfly's base. Still, I'm not a GREAT scripter (hey, I'm just a hobbyist!); without that publicly-released base, I wouldn't been able to do what I did.

YF is totally cool with people ripping apart his scripts, and actually encourages it. If people just drop LOL MATERIA SYSTEM into their game because they felt like it on a whim, that's a whole 'nother issue. It'd be the same with putting a Secret of Mana cave in the middle of your NES-style game.

author=supremewarrior
On another note most games made in RM XP and RM VX look generally the same, the chipsets are of the same style. There are times where I cannot tell if the game is made in RM XP or RM VX because the graphic style looks the same to me.

That's minor a problem I have because I believe if your game looks unique then it sticks out and people remember it for what it looks like as well as the story and gameplay. The problem is that we got too many RM VX games using those minature bulky chibi sprites and I certainly am not a fan of that kind of style.

I agree so badly. Thumbs up for this observation. :)