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Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Day 2 votecount as of July 11th 8:00 GMT Summer Time:
Sheriff: - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Lynch:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 4 -MirrorMasq, Yellow Magic, Dudesoft, Adon237, wildwes, MirrorMasq, Dudesoft, SorceressKyrsty
Dudesoft: 1 -CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Happy
PlatinumAshes: 0 -MirrorMasq, Dudesoft
Yellow Magic: 1 - Gourd_Clae
Adon237: 0 -Liberty
SorceressKyrsty: 3 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, wildwes
Not voting: Trihan, PlatinumAshes, Adon237, Liberty
With 12 alive, and 1 Sheriff, it takes 7 to hammer.
Day 2 ends 0:00 GMT Summer Time, July 13, that is in 16 hours.
I extended the deadline. But only by 12 hours.
Sheriff: - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Lynch:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 4 -
Dudesoft: 1 -
PlatinumAshes: 0 -
Yellow Magic: 1 - Gourd_Clae
Adon237: 0 -
SorceressKyrsty: 3 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, wildwes
Not voting: Trihan, PlatinumAshes, Adon237, Liberty
With 12 alive, and 1 Sheriff, it takes 7 to hammer.
Day 2 ends 0:00 GMT Summer Time, July 13, that is in 16 hours.
I extended the deadline. But only by 12 hours.
I'm all for lynching Platinum. Like I said, I put that lynch on you because you throw curveballs and give me headaches and in general confuse the fuck out of me. (It actually wasn't a retaliation lynch vote, like it'd matter).
I've stated my arguments against him a few times, and his behaviour on day one was suspicious as all hell. If he turns up town, I'll be very surprised- but if he does, I'd bank on CAVE being scum. Probably makes me look scummy too. Nothing I can really do about that, I've already set the precedent.
So...
#unlynch
#lynch PlatinumAshes
CAVE or Platinum today.
I've stated my arguments against him a few times, and his behaviour on day one was suspicious as all hell. If he turns up town, I'll be very surprised- but if he does, I'd bank on CAVE being scum. Probably makes me look scummy too. Nothing I can really do about that, I've already set the precedent.
So...
#unlynch
#lynch PlatinumAshes
CAVE or Platinum today.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
i am heavily considering voting him at this point.
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So......where's your vote?
#lynch kyrsty
Sorry Kyrst, but I think you're more likely to be a werewolf than Cave, so to even the odds a bit...
Sorry Kyrst, but I think you're more likely to be a werewolf than Cave, so to even the odds a bit...
Extended deadline huh? That's interesting! I'll have to re-read the last few pages. Clearly Jeroen is protecting someone.
Alright, I promised earlier to elaborate my lynch on Dudesoft:
As soon as Dudesoft jumped on day 2's bandwagon I became suspicious of him. Why?
Because there have been two major bandwagons.
1:
2:
and I find it very unlikely that we would have two major bandwagons with no werewolves in them. Think what you will, but I feel that our town can't be as bad as lynching innocents without werewolves. And yes, at this point I feel positive about Cavedog being innocent, a town player.
Why is Cavedog a town player?
1. I was suspicious of Cavedog until day 2 because of his failed arguments. On the beginning of day 2 we suddenly have a huge lynch mob on him, however. 4 people ready to lynch a person who was much responsible of a town player being lynched on day 1?
Smells like werewolf opportunism, or then we have really dumb town. Both are still possibilities, however. But as I stated before, I find it extremely unlikely that a werewolf would put themselves on such a visible role on day 1 lynch.
2. Cavedog's actions alone don't make him seem innocent, but when you compare them to lynch lists, it starts to show Cavedog in more positive light. Why?
Because if we assume that one from day 1 bandwagon's is a werewolf, we have:
Adon, Dudesoft, Cavedog, YM and PA
Now if Adon is the witch, it leaves us Dudesoft, YM, Cavedog and PA who could all still be werewolves. But now if we compare this to day 2's bandwagon, and if we want to assume that one of the 4 people wanting to lynch Cavedog on day 2 is a werewolf, double bandwagoners we have left are Dudesoft and YM.
Of course there's a chance we have werewolves who haven't bandwagoned or some that have been part only of one of the bandwagons, but people who've been part of both bandwagons? (Bandwagon's that aren't based on much information, may I add.)
Now if we look at the disucssion so far, we can see Cavedog has been pushing both of the double voters. (People who've been in both bandwagons, that is.) Whether we'll lynch YM or Dudesoft, if they turn up town, I can then happily say that my assumptions about the bandwagons were wrong and we can be quite sure Cavedog is a werewolf.
But why choose Dudesoft over YM? For reasons why Dudesoft could be a werewolf see Cavedog's massive post from earlier.
Why YM isn't? From reading his day 2 posts I find that there's logic behind his actions, even if it's failed. By reading his posts you can find out that he has actually _thought_ about finding werewolves. You can find the feeling of speculation having gone through his brain.
In Dudesoft's case it seems he's a werewolf or just a townie being too lazy to actually argue his opinions to us. By lynching him we'd still confirm Cave's identity though, which gives us more trust in the double vote. We can then focus on finding the other wolves.
(Starting to hunt Kyrsty on last hours all of sudden seems extremely dumb, btw.)
ps. Liberty stop being suspicious me because I didn't want to die on night 1.
As soon as Dudesoft jumped on day 2's bandwagon I became suspicious of him. Why?
Because there have been two major bandwagons.
1:
author=Jeroen_Sol
Zeuzio: 6 - Adon237,CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK,Gourd_Clae, Zeuzio,PlatinumAshes,Yellow Magic, Dudesoft, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Yellow Magic, PlatinumAshes
2:
author=Jeroen_Sol
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 4-MirrorMasq, Yellow Magic,Dudesoft,Adon237,wildwes, MirrorMasq, Dudesoft, SorceressKyrsty
and I find it very unlikely that we would have two major bandwagons with no werewolves in them. Think what you will, but I feel that our town can't be as bad as lynching innocents without werewolves. And yes, at this point I feel positive about Cavedog being innocent, a town player.
Why is Cavedog a town player?
1. I was suspicious of Cavedog until day 2 because of his failed arguments. On the beginning of day 2 we suddenly have a huge lynch mob on him, however. 4 people ready to lynch a person who was much responsible of a town player being lynched on day 1?
Smells like werewolf opportunism, or then we have really dumb town. Both are still possibilities, however. But as I stated before, I find it extremely unlikely that a werewolf would put themselves on such a visible role on day 1 lynch.
2. Cavedog's actions alone don't make him seem innocent, but when you compare them to lynch lists, it starts to show Cavedog in more positive light. Why?
Because if we assume that one from day 1 bandwagon's is a werewolf, we have:
Adon, Dudesoft, Cavedog, YM and PA
Now if Adon is the witch, it leaves us Dudesoft, YM, Cavedog and PA who could all still be werewolves. But now if we compare this to day 2's bandwagon, and if we want to assume that one of the 4 people wanting to lynch Cavedog on day 2 is a werewolf, double bandwagoners we have left are Dudesoft and YM.
Of course there's a chance we have werewolves who haven't bandwagoned or some that have been part only of one of the bandwagons, but people who've been part of both bandwagons? (Bandwagon's that aren't based on much information, may I add.)
Now if we look at the disucssion so far, we can see Cavedog has been pushing both of the double voters. (People who've been in both bandwagons, that is.) Whether we'll lynch YM or Dudesoft, if they turn up town, I can then happily say that my assumptions about the bandwagons were wrong and we can be quite sure Cavedog is a werewolf.
But why choose Dudesoft over YM? For reasons why Dudesoft could be a werewolf see Cavedog's massive post from earlier.
Why YM isn't? From reading his day 2 posts I find that there's logic behind his actions, even if it's failed. By reading his posts you can find out that he has actually _thought_ about finding werewolves. You can find the feeling of speculation having gone through his brain.
In Dudesoft's case it seems he's a werewolf or just a townie being too lazy to actually argue his opinions to us. By lynching him we'd still confirm Cave's identity though, which gives us more trust in the double vote. We can then focus on finding the other wolves.
(Starting to hunt Kyrsty on last hours all of sudden seems extremely dumb, btw.)
ps. Liberty stop being suspicious me because I didn't want to die on night 1.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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author=DudesoftDisclaimer: I am not extending this deadline to protect anyone. It is merely because this day was very short to begin with, and noon GMT is the time when the least amount of people are online. The deadlines of coming days will also be at times more comfortable for American players. Metagame at own risk.
Extended deadline huh? That's interesting! I'll have to re-read the last few pages. Clearly Jeroen is protecting someone.
Happy dear, none of us wanted to die night one. Doesn't make me feel you suspicious any less. That said, I'm not going to act on mere suspicions when I have no proof or plans.
(The plan with Adon wasn't supposed to go the way it did - mainly because he became really upset over one vote on his name and got super defensive - then took a turn for the better when he role-claimed. I'm about 80% sure sure he's town.)
As for Kyrsty, I've suspected her from the beginning if only because she's usually a good role player and hasn't bothered playing the game. That tells me she's either hiding something or not into the game. And what little she's said has had very little information.
That, and I don't think Cave is werewolf. Town, most likely. Vigilante (if we have any in this game - remember Jeroen said he added/changed some roles from the vanilla so we can probably expect a surprise or two, I'm sure), perhaps.
Which means if I want Cave to have a good chance when the deadline rolls around (since people seem determined to kill him off), we have to even the voting field. Kyrsty is the next closest in votes. :/
(The plan with Adon wasn't supposed to go the way it did - mainly because he became really upset over one vote on his name and got super defensive - then took a turn for the better when he role-claimed. I'm about 80% sure sure he's town.)
As for Kyrsty, I've suspected her from the beginning if only because she's usually a good role player and hasn't bothered playing the game. That tells me she's either hiding something or not into the game. And what little she's said has had very little information.
That, and I don't think Cave is werewolf. Town, most likely. Vigilante (if we have any in this game - remember Jeroen said he added/changed some roles from the vanilla so we can probably expect a surprise or two, I'm sure), perhaps.
Which means if I want Cave to have a good chance when the deadline rolls around (since people seem determined to kill him off), we have to even the voting field. Kyrsty is the next closest in votes. :/
Liberty: Yes you should be equally suspicious of everyone on day 1, but when I say I didn't want to die on night 1, I'm referring to everything I posted on day 1. I suggest you try to imagine yourself as a werewolf and in a situation where you have to pick your first kill. How would you proceed?
And yes, I wanted to jump on Kyrsty too because Cave changed his vote which made Cave the lynch target, but right now I see Cave as town and seeing we've got more time I hope my post and Cavedog's post will help to convice people to switch back on Dudesoft.
And yes, I wanted to jump on Kyrsty too because Cave changed his vote which made Cave the lynch target, but right now I see Cave as town and seeing we've got more time I hope my post and Cavedog's post will help to convice people to switch back on Dudesoft.
I would lynch kyrsty, but I cannot connect lurking with scum. Usually its just power-role-less townies or players who are occupied irl. After my crusade against Cave, I don't really think he is scum anymore. (i could be way wrong) Lynching her doesn't seem justified.
I won't be surprised if I wake up dead tomorrow (haha, this is one of the few times that's actually a sensible sentence!). I can't really give you much to show I'm innocent, since my absence does make me extremely suspicious, besides saying I'm vanilla town.
My vote for PA still stands.
My vote for PA still stands.
author=SorceressKyrsty
I won't be surprised if I wake up dead tomorrow
You should be glad we aren't playing dracula mafia.
Disclaimer or no, the only person this extension helps is Cavedog. He was basicly dead by majority, and we were stepping towards a werewolf down. If Trihan is not lying, that leaves us with one more enemy to route out.
As for sorceresskyrsty, she pretty much verified her town status by both mirroring and showcasing my own innocence. We've both been taking time off for real world legit stuff instead of our 'werewolf responsibilities'.
I'm still partial to my thoughts against PlatinumAshes. Which is a possible third. Now, we've only GUESSED that there's three, as far as I've been reading. There might be more. There's nothing stopping Jeroen_Sol from having 4 or even 5 Werewolves, considering the power of the Witch has two-fold werewolf fuckery abilities; the Sheriff double vote is yet another trump card. I dunno, it seems possible there's more, now I think of it.
That said, I am literally dumbfounded at who those could be. If I'm wrong about PA or Cavedog, then I really have zero clue. Maybe YM or Liberty? I dunno.
As for sorceresskyrsty, she pretty much verified her town status by both mirroring and showcasing my own innocence. We've both been taking time off for real world legit stuff instead of our 'werewolf responsibilities'.
I'm still partial to my thoughts against PlatinumAshes. Which is a possible third. Now, we've only GUESSED that there's three, as far as I've been reading. There might be more. There's nothing stopping Jeroen_Sol from having 4 or even 5 Werewolves, considering the power of the Witch has two-fold werewolf fuckery abilities; the Sheriff double vote is yet another trump card. I dunno, it seems possible there's more, now I think of it.
That said, I am literally dumbfounded at who those could be. If I'm wrong about PA or Cavedog, then I really have zero clue. Maybe YM or Liberty? I dunno.
author=HappyWhat's that?author=SorceressKyrstyYou should be glad we aren't playing dracula mafia.
I won't be surprised if I wake up dead tomorrow
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Day 2 votecount as of July 12th 14:30 GMT Summer Time:
Sheriff: - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Lynch:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 3 -MirrorMasq, Yellow Magic, Dudesoft, Adon237, wildwes, MirrorMasq, Dudesoft, SorceressKyrsty
Dudesoft: 1 -CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Happy
PlatinumAshes: 1 -MirrorMasq, Dudesoft, SorceressKyrsty
Yellow Magic: 1 - Gourd_Clae
Adon237: 0 -Liberty
SorceressKyrsty: 4 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, wildwes, Liberty
Not voting: Trihan, PlatinumAshes, Adon237, Liberty
With 12 alive, and 1 Sheriff, it takes 7 to hammer.
Day 2 ends 0:00 GMT Summer Time, July 13, that is in 9.5 hours.
Sheriff: - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Lynch:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 3 -
Dudesoft: 1 -
PlatinumAshes: 1 -
Yellow Magic: 1 - Gourd_Clae
Adon237: 0 -
SorceressKyrsty: 4 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, wildwes, Liberty
Not voting: Trihan, PlatinumAshes, Adon237, Liberty
With 12 alive, and 1 Sheriff, it takes 7 to hammer.
Day 2 ends 0:00 GMT Summer Time, July 13, that is in 9.5 hours.
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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First of all, I'll excuse myself for having been absent for the last 48 hours. I wasn't home and not in a position to post here.
I've been urged by some people to clear up my views on current matters, particularly my stance on cavedog. To be honest, though, I've outlined my train of thoughts pretty much as much as is possible with my innosense being questioned as much as it is right now. I understand disapproval of 'I know I'm innosent, so x' arguments, they obviously can't be transmitted from one person to the next and they do little to help others with their lynch-voting. However, should this prevent me from using such argumentation to come to my own, individual conclusion? You are all free to reject it, but it work for me with great efficiency.
^
I'd like to know too
I've been urged by some people to clear up my views on current matters, particularly my stance on cavedog. To be honest, though, I've outlined my train of thoughts pretty much as much as is possible with my innosense being questioned as much as it is right now. I understand disapproval of 'I know I'm innosent, so x' arguments, they obviously can't be transmitted from one person to the next and they do little to help others with their lynch-voting. However, should this prevent me from using such argumentation to come to my own, individual conclusion? You are all free to reject it, but it work for me with great efficiency.
author=Dudesoftauthor=HappyWhat's that?author=SorceressKyrstyYou should be glad we aren't playing Dracula mafia.
I won't be surprised if I wake up dead tomorrow
^
I'd like to know too
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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Adon, I've been keeping an eye on you for a while now. You've got a Persona of uncertainty, and just going along with things. You're among the group of people that read along and post most.
You're always emphasizing how unsure of everything you are, that 'you're rusty', 'you're only 15 and don't understand everything being said' and 'i'll let myself be naive'. At first, I thought this was just you actually not really feeling confident in your Mafia abilities and I still think this is the case up to a certain extend. The extend to which you've underlined this again and again though, is making me suspicious.
I find it contradictory, how, like I said before, unsure you are of everything you say, yet you've jumped on pretty much every single available bandwagon, all the while trying to put any potential blame on others (see quote). You're very eager to get the lynchvote to hammer everytime, and you're always acting uncertain enough about it to escape acusation afterwards.
I am not casting my vote for you yet, out of fear it might become another escalation that tends to happen right before night where everyone votes for someone without thinking. However, I do want to hear what you have to say, and what the other's think of my reasoning.
You're always emphasizing how unsure of everything you are, that 'you're rusty', 'you're only 15 and don't understand everything being said' and 'i'll let myself be naive'. At first, I thought this was just you actually not really feeling confident in your Mafia abilities and I still think this is the case up to a certain extend. The extend to which you've underlined this again and again though, is making me suspicious.
author=Adon237
#Elect LibertyCould be the biggest mistake in my mafia career thus far, but she did put down some solid reasoning and amidst all of the accusations I have no suspicions of her at this point. Please let this be a wise decision.
author=Adon237
As dynamic and take-charge Cave is, his peculiar attitude definitely wasn't enough to sell. If you think you have an idea of who is scum, let the accused to some real talking. Though I am going to wait before I elect someone.
#Lynch wildwes
author=Adon237
#Lynch HappyThat is all.
author=Adon237
#Cancel (lynch)Nah, nevermind. Don't really have any reasonable evidence that he is scum. Though that "the night is dark and full of terrors" is kind of odd? What is that supposed to mean?
author=Adon237
if PA = scum
trihan = scum
cavedog != scum
else
cavedog = scum
end
#lynch PlatinumAshes
Better then nolynching, I suppose.
author=Adon237
#lynch wildwesCavedog, what happens if wildwes is town? People will definitely become suspicious of you, and I will look like scum because I lynched the same as you.
author=Adon237
#lynch Zeuzio
I find it contradictory, how, like I said before, unsure you are of everything you say, yet you've jumped on pretty much every single available bandwagon, all the while trying to put any potential blame on others (see quote). You're very eager to get the lynchvote to hammer everytime, and you're always acting uncertain enough about it to escape acusation afterwards.
I am not casting my vote for you yet, out of fear it might become another escalation that tends to happen right before night where everyone votes for someone without thinking. However, I do want to hear what you have to say, and what the other's think of my reasoning.
Haha, Platinum, I am so glad you have found a way to get any blame off of you~
It isn't an excuse, it's fact. I don't see the connection of joining bandwagons and being positive of what I say. If I led the bandwagon, then that would make sense, but since I was unsure, I followed what looked like a good idea at the time. I am young and I am an idiot, I think you are over-thinking things too much, and when the end-game comes and the roles are revealed, let that be a lesson to you. To be fair, that isn't any excuse not to lynch me, but there are plenty of other reasons why you lynching me at this point is idiotic, and may not be beneficial on your part. (feel free to read everyone elses opinions of me)
It isn't an excuse, it's fact. I don't see the connection of joining bandwagons and being positive of what I say. If I led the bandwagon, then that would make sense, but since I was unsure, I followed what looked like a good idea at the time. I am young and I am an idiot, I think you are over-thinking things too much, and when the end-game comes and the roles are revealed, let that be a lesson to you. To be fair, that isn't any excuse not to lynch me, but there are plenty of other reasons why you lynching me at this point is idiotic, and may not be beneficial on your part. (feel free to read everyone elses opinions of me)
