SUBMISSION RULES: UPDATE - ADDENDUM ADDED BECAUSE FFS PEOPLE!

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LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
If someone thinks having screenshots of nothing but menus accurately shows off their game, then obviously their game is nothing but menus.

Or at least, y'know, I'd hope it is. Otherwise WTF.
Would you judge a game solely by a title screen and a couple of menus? Is that a reasonable expectation for anyone to make?

I mean this is just some common sense application here.
SunflowerGames
The most beautiful user on RMN!
13323

The whole point is to show pictures of your game. It's seriously not difficult to take screen shots. I have plenty of screen shots (way more than 3) when I submit a game page.

Of course if I made a Title Screen generator game my description should make that clear, which would correspond to me only having pictures of title screens.

*If your description says you have something then perhaps you should show it.
Okay, so I had an RPG come through a while ago describing an epic journey across breath-taking lands and varied landscapes that showed two battles and a menu. Default RTP enemies with default backgrounds, default skills. The menu had default skills, default characters. Fine, that's just fine... but you'd best believe I asked for some mapping to be shown as well - key word being 'different' screens. In that case the game was okay. It got past submissions when the creator showed off some of the maps which were pretty decent.

Another case had a game that was all menus. And that's fine - the description made it clear that the main component of the game was menu based, the menus showed off different aspects of the game - all fine.

Yet another case of three battle screens, maps tuned out to be horribad, pointed them towards some tutorials and the screenshot thread.

Another game, quite nice mapping - but all the same map. For all I know that's the one map in the game they got someone else to map for them. In that case I asked and received a lot more images which was great to see.

Last case, good mapping on some maps, but horrible on others. Something felt off - did a google image search of the maps and turned out they were stolen from another game.

There's all sorts that go through the queue and sometimes it's hard to tell what is good and what isn't by just three images. If I make the wrong choice then that creator will be flamed into hell and back (and people will complain about shitty games - it's happened before :/ ).

Frankly, I absolutely love the developers who put up a bunch of different screens. Thank God for 'em, their games almost always make it through as long as their description is fine - because they have varied, decent maps that they like to show off, but if all you're showing are battle/menu scenes of your epic, 50-hour RPG fangame then I will ask for at least one map thrown in by which to judge.

(And again, when it comes to concept/contest games, I'm a bit more lenient on the screenshot thing as long as everything else hits the mark - for example, the recent Fundamental RPGology which focuses mainly on battles, I've been fine letting through just battle images since, well, that's the focus of the game. As long as I know that's what the game is for, at least.)
Update:
If you've a game page that you no longer want to use, either mark the game as cancelled or delete it. DO NOT REUSE FOR ANOTHER GAME! Not only is that unfair on those who subscribed to the previous game, it also means that it hasn't gone through the the submissions queue and been checked over for quality.

If you see this happen, please report it.
Tau
RMN sex symbol
3293
Can you report game pages?
Odd, I thought you could. Well, sending a PM to me or one of the other staff works too.
Speaking of Permanently deleting games, how the heck do you even do that?
It's still there in my list of games, it just says deleted. Really annoying.
I know... >.<; I have the same. :/
nhubi
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
11099
Sounds like something you should raise with the eternal Ankylo, as all answers reside there.

Also, WTH, who 'recycles' a game page??
I did, once, a long time ago when I was a newbie. It's not common but it's worth pointing out to the populace. I can understand someone new thinking it's not a big deal - game is cancelled, got a new game to deal with, maybe change my gamepage...
But, yeah. ^.^;
SunflowerGames
The most beautiful user on RMN!
13323

It might work similar to the locker:

First you need to hit delete, this will not delete right away.

Second you need to scroll down the page and hit an update button.
author=Tau
Can you report game pages?
author=Liberty
Odd, I thought you could. Well, sending a PM to me or one of the other staff works too.

Another viable option would be to report a post on the game page in question (assuming a post has been made) since the report would indicate the game page but clearly state in the report that it's in regards to the game page rather than the reported post.

author=Liberty
I did, once, a long time ago when I was a newbie. It's not common but it's worth pointing out to the populace. I can understand someone new thinking it's not a big deal - game is cancelled, got a new game to deal with, maybe change my gamepage...
But, yeah. ^.^;

I've seen this once or twice myself (new title, new images, new everything, but the comments referring to the old game were still there) but assumed the game they were previously developing morphed into something new altogether, not that they cancelled whatever game they were working on and changed the game page to something else.

So I suppose that leads into a potential issue: How do you distinguish when a game has been completely cancelled and a new game topic must be submitted for the new game being worked on, versus when a game that is still being developed completely changes that it barely resembles what it started off as? At one point is it no longer okay to modify a game topic to reflect what the game now is, even if it happens to be the same train of thought and same project, but with new graphics, maps, resources, and name?
author=SnowOwl
Speaking of Permanently deleting games, how the heck do you even do that?
It's still there in my list of games, it just says deleted. Really annoying.


You can't! No deleting allowed. Everything is just marked as 'deleted'. Can probably make it so that deleted games don't show in your game submission list though.
author=amerk
author=Tau
Can you report game pages?
author=Liberty
Odd, I thought you could. Well, sending a PM to me or one of the other staff works too.


Another viable option would be to report a post on the game page in question (assuming a post has been made) since the report would indicate the game page but clearly state in the report that it's in regards to the game page rather than the reported post.

author=Liberty
I did, once, a long time ago when I was a newbie. It's not common but it's worth pointing out to the populace. I can understand someone new thinking it's not a big deal - game is cancelled, got a new game to deal with, maybe change my gamepage...
But, yeah. ^.^;


I've seen this once or twice myself (new title, new images, new everything, but the comments referring to the old game were still there) but assumed the game they were previously developing morphed into something new altogether, not that they cancelled whatever game they were working on and changed the game page to something else.

So I suppose that leads into a potential issue: How do you distinguish when a game has been completely cancelled and a new game topic must be submitted for the new game being worked on, versus when a game that is still being developed completely changes that it barely resembles what it started off as? At one point is it no longer okay to modify a game topic to reflect what the game now is, even if it happens to be the same train of thought and same project, but with new graphics, maps, resources, and name?


Well, most games don't change completely over the course of their creation. We've had a few people make new game pages for older games that have changed to a new engine or is very different to the current/older version of itself (I'm talking major changes, not something like 'Oh, I got the new resources I had planned and talked about getting all this time in my blogs'.) I've also known people to keep the game page they've already got and added a Page with the old version, then updating the rest of the page to fit the new. Both ideas are viable.

It's honestly up to the creator to decide as long as the game is, essentially, that game. A whole new game though? Plox no.

That said, I'd also like to point out that if you get past the submissions queue and then remove all your images... I will hate you forever. Just a heads-up, m'kay? ^.^

Sorry to be a nag (As if! xD) I'm aware this is old and such a non-issue, but this has been poking at my sides for some time now...

author=Liberty
We quality check games via a description and three screenshots. How are we supposed to do that if someone uses a menu system, a title screen and a game over screen? We cannot.

All I want to ask is: Who is "WE"? And why we "CANNOT"? Because, I feel -I- could do that. I feel LockeZ could do that. Nessiah could do that. Pizza could do that. Melkino could do that. TFT could do that. and a whole bunch of us could do that. I mean, maybe not be able to discern the qualities of a game and/or developer from a title screen ONLY, but from a title screen ALSO.

I just don't understand how tittle screens are suddenly and quite arbitrarily the lepers of the screenshot world. Specially here of all places, a community devoted to game design! To the scrutiny and over-analysis of all things game related! ...And I'm just supposed to believe that the design choices that can go in the creation of a tittle screen are superfluous? unquantifiable?

So rather than "We cannot" that sounds to me more like a "YOU don't WANT to" and that's a bit sad... That's a general 'you' btw. =)
Someone can make a pretty title screen and the actual content of the game be bad. I've seen it many times before - very nice title and menu but the mapping and content is horrible. You cannot judge a game by the title screen, just as you cannot judge a book by its cover.

Case point - very nice looking title screen comes in - like, super polished. Wow, looking swagalicious! Images come through... all stolen maps mixed with some RTP maps. Just judging by the title I would never have known until someone pointed it out in the comments of the game and wow, firestorm approaching. I know we run off drama but we do try not to allow it full force.


Just because you can make a decision based on a pretty menu screen and title doesn't mean you should. There are a lot of people out there who offer to make pretty title screens for your game - no cost, just wanna make pretty titles. That doesn't reflect the actual content quality of the game in any way, shape or form.

So, yeah, we don't use title, game over or ONLY menu screens (unless the description says it's a menu-based game in which case, fine, exemption). Because you can have the prettiest menus in the world and have maps that tear out your eyes.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I could make all the same arguments about maps. Watch:




Someone can make some pretty maps and the actual content of the game be bad. I've seen it many times before - very nice town and dungeon but the menus and content are horrible. You cannot judge a game by the maps, just as you cannot judge a book by its cover.

Case point - very nice looking town map comes in - like, super polished. Wow, looking swagalicious! More images come through... a stolen titls screen mixed with some RTP battlers. Just judging by the maps I would never have known until someone pointed it out in the comments of the game and wow, firestorm approaching. I know we run off drama but we do try not to allow it full force.

Just because you can make a decision based on a pretty town and dungeon doesn't mean you should. There are a lot of people out there who offer to make pretty areas for your game - no cost, just wanna make pretty maps. That doesn't reflect the actual content quality of the game in any way, shape or form.

So, yeah, we don't use ONLY maps (unless the description says it's a map-based game in which case, fine, exemption). Because you can have the prettiest maps in the world and have menus and splash screens that tear out your eyes.
Puddor
if squallbutts was a misao category i'd win every damn year
5702
There's gotta be a line drawn in the submission filtering eventually, however. Three unique screens that basically display that you have a game you (and your team) made yourself. It's a really really low bar. A battle screen, a menu and a map is a really low bar and even then so many people just fall below that dang bar.

Not including 'art-art' which is titles, game overs and concept art pretty much comes from a time a little while back where people WEREN'T making maps for other people. Having a map means some kind of playable content. Concept art and a title screen doesn't.

I think the outline is pretty much 'three screenshots of proposed playable content'.
edit: that you compiled into a unique and playable form