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CloseHumanity is scum. There. Done. We can all agree on that, correct? Then let's get back to the issue at hand = police corruption in the USA that allows them to get off scott free for literally killing people (mainly black people - including children*) with nothing more than a quick shuffle to a new area and a 'Don't do that again, tee hee'.
* I'm well aware some of you don't like tumblr. Suck it up. The truth is all that matters.
* I'm well aware some of you don't like tumblr. Suck it up. The truth is all that matters.
author=Yellow Magic
EDIT: Yeah, sorry, I made a joke at the expense of white people. But you guys don't mind, right? I mean, you're literally the scum of the earth after all.
First off, if this was indeed somehow meant as a joke, it's a fucking terrible, shitty joke. You have critically failed your 'make a joke on the internet' check. Secondly and obviously relatedly, I want you to know that upon reading this, my immediate reaction was to feel deeply hurt and upset.
author=Yellow Magicauthor=mawk
~LEARNING CORNER~
it is, in fact, impossible to be 'racist against white people'.
This is one of the most insanely stupid statements I have ever fucking seen. I would simply call it 'ignorant' but that lets it off the hook too much. This isn't a statement that results from a lack of education. It's a statement that results from a toxic education, i.e. cultural marxist indoctrination. It is willfully and maliciously stupid.
This is a link to the definition of racism.
author=This Is The Definition Of Racism
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm
nounthe belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
Exactly what part of this definition excludes racism against whites from being a real thing, you preposterously infuriating SJW troll?
author=Yellow Magic
Here's something to think about regarding the joke I made, by the way.Yeah, sorry, I made a joke at the expense of white people. But you guys don't mind, right? I mean, you're literally the scum of the earth after all.
How would you react if I replaced the word "white" with "black"? Not trying to point fingers - just legit curious.
Exactly the same. What does that say about me?
author=harmonic
It's a witch hunt. It's revenge for an imaginary infraction. It's censoring and discriminatory.
Harmonic, I seriously want you to explain to me how these "infractions" (and Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., a Marine vet who was called a nigger by White Plains PD before they broke down his door and murdered him) were "imaginary".
If this is not what you were referring to, then can you be more clear?
author=PentagonBuddy
The answer to that can be pretty complex. (link)
The person who wrote this is a despicable racist. There is literally no meaningful difference between writing an article comprised of bullshit apologetics to justify frequently saying "I hate White people" and an article comprised entirely of bullshit apologetics to justify frequently saying "I hate black people".
author=PentagonBuddy
I did get it was a joke, but honestly I think it's worth examining as a serious statement too. A lotta people believe that saying anything like "I hate white people" holds the exact same meaning and implications of something like "I hate black people". I don't, so i figured I'd take a moment to talk about that.
This. Is. RACIST. Seriously. If you think it is more okay to hate white people than to hate black people, that is fucking racist.
If I "figured I'd take a moment to talk about" how I thought it was okay to hate black people but not white people, that would be fucking racist too.
author=Kentona
Harmonic, you are supposed to acknowledge the privilege, and do you best to effect change, and not resent having it pointed out to you.
The thing about people like me, and also Harmonic, even though PLEASE UNDERSTAND AS WILL BE CLEAR TO ANYONE WHO HAS READ MY POSTS THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH HARMONIC is that we DEEPLY resent being told what we are supposed to do in order to be politically correct. Anyone who has played my oldest games is well aware that I have a serious problem with being told what I'm supposed to do or what it is socially acceptable to do because historically speaking I have a serious problem with authority as well as with groupthink, PC, et al.
See, I DO resent the concept of privilege because it is the most fucking terrible, inflammatory, destructive, polarizing, alienating way possible of getting across an idea that literally no one should disagree with: namely, that racism exists.
author=Kentona
It's sickening. Focus on the topic or keep your mouth shut.
Just to be clear, the topic is
Max
RACISM
Racism exists, clearly. But there's more than one kind of racism.
There's personal racism, where individuals hate someone because of ethnic or racial bias. It can cause someone to hate black people or someone to hate white people or write a blog on the internet about why white people are evil or black people are criminals. Or brown people, or whatever.
This is the kind of racism that arises from a person's personality, their upbringing and education, their personal experiences, etc. This kind of racism will probably always exist, and can't really be controlled without severely Orwellian, borderline-"thought-police" measures.
Then, there's institutional racism, which is part of a larger system in which the ways our society treats people and how laws are enforced show racial or ethnic bias. Namely, an unarmed black man being choked to death by a police officer, in broad daylight, on film, and a grand jury says "nothing to see here, move along." Or a 12 year old black kid with a toy gun being shot dead by police while a white man with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder can walk down a street without a care in the world.
This is the kind of racism inherent in the system. This is what we are talking about here. It has nothing to do with that one guy you saw once who hates white people or blacks killing other blacks or what the hell ever.
Getting angry because you can prove that people who are racist against whites exist somewhere on the internet strikes me as a fairly useless expenditure of energy.
Solitayre you like most social justice warriors have a nasty habit of arguing against positions I did not fucking take.
This is all 100% accurate. I would even say something like "institutionalized racism is more serious than personal racism". But as I've said before, institutional or systemic racism is not the only evident factor in these disturbing cases of police brutality and excessive force without consequences.
I was not actually angry that racist tirades like this exist on the internet any more than I'm angry that this charming thing exists (THANKS, tumblr). What made me angry was the colossally stupid assertions that "there is no such thing as racism against white people" (SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID THIS) and/or that this bullshit somehow doesn't count as racism because...???social???justice??? (hypocrisy).
Getting angry about ANYTHING on the internet is a fairly useless expenditure of energy, though. It's a losing proposition for sure. I just can't always help it.
author=Solitayre
There's personal racism, where individuals hate someone because of ethnic or racial bias. It can cause someone to hate black people or someone to hate white people or write a blog on the internet about why white people are evil or black people are criminals. Or brown people, or whatever.
This is kind of racism that arises from a person's personality, their upbringing and education, their personal experiences, etc. This kind of racism will probably always exist, and can't really be controlled without severely Orwellian Borderline "thought-police" measures.
Then, there's institutional racism, which is part of a larger system in which the ways our laws are enforced show racial or ethnic bias. Namely, an unarmed black man being choked to death by a police officer, in broad daylight, on film, and a grand jury says "nothing to see here, move along." Or a 12 year old black kid with a toy gun being shot dead by police while a white man with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder can walk down a street without a care in the world.
This is all 100% accurate. I would even say something like "institutionalized racism is more serious than personal racism". But as I've said before, institutional or systemic racism is not the only evident factor in these disturbing cases of police brutality and excessive force without consequences.
author=Solitayre
Getting angry because you can prove that people who are racist against whites exist somewhere on the internet strikes me as a fairly useless expenditure of energy.
I was not actually angry that racist tirades like this exist on the internet any more than I'm angry that this charming thing exists (THANKS, tumblr). What made me angry was the colossally stupid assertions that "there is no such thing as racism against white people" (SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID THIS) and/or that this bullshit somehow doesn't count as racism because...???social???justice??? (hypocrisy).
Getting angry about ANYTHING on the internet is a fairly useless expenditure of energy, though. It's a losing proposition for sure. I just can't always help it.
Haha, Max, why must you write in bold and caps that you don't agree with me?
How exactly do we disagree?
I don't come out and acknowledge real racism like you do, but I agree it's there. I just find that there's enough rabid social justice warriors screaming about it at the top of their lungs on an hourly basis that it just doesn't need to be said. I speak for the silent majority instead.
And then there's the soft racism of lower expectations for non-whites. That's a leftist thing. And it's pretty abhorrent, maybe you should start paying attention to that as well.
White liberal says to the non-white: "I'm so sorry you're not white. Don't worry, I am, and I will help you. I'll protect you from those mean old Republicans."
How exactly do we disagree?
I don't come out and acknowledge real racism like you do, but I agree it's there. I just find that there's enough rabid social justice warriors screaming about it at the top of their lungs on an hourly basis that it just doesn't need to be said. I speak for the silent majority instead.
author=Solitayre
stuff
And then there's the soft racism of lower expectations for non-whites. That's a leftist thing. And it's pretty abhorrent, maybe you should start paying attention to that as well.
White liberal says to the non-white: "I'm so sorry you're not white. Don't worry, I am, and I will help you. I'll protect you from those mean old Republicans."
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author=harmonic
I speak for the silent majority instead.
I just want to point out that I'm not taking sides in this argument. I don't want to. But I will say that this sounds incredibly presumptuous.
author=Kianaauthor=harmonicI just want to point out that I'm not taking sides in this argument. I don't want to. But I will say that this sounds incredibly presumptuous.
I speak for the silent majority instead.
Welp, the alternative is that more than 50% of people think Whites are a bane of the Earth, and just go around hunting for blacks to murder for fun.
Who knows, maybe that actually is most people. The insane leftist narrative is pretty powerful, it appeals to the feels.
author=Max McGeeYou might want to reread Mawk's post. He was talking about how the entire political system in the United
What made me angry was the colossally stupid assertions that "there is no such thing as racism against white people" (SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID THIS)
author=harmonicWhile it might not help this whole situation, you really can't name any other group of people who have forcefully altered and distorted the non-European cultures around them; completely violated, removed the identity of, and morally destroyed black people; let alone not even give widely praised credit for the important accomplishments that said minority group made to help build your country from the get-go... There are a lot of reasons to be resentful.
Welp, the alternative is that more than 50% of people think Whites are a bane of the Earth, and just go around hunting for blacks to murder for fun.
Who knows, maybe that actually is most people. The insane leftist narrative is pretty powerful, it appeals to the feels.
EDIT: edited "bet". It was a typo.
author=harmonic
How exactly do we disagree?
Well I fucking hate cops I don't imagine you would get behind that so there's that lol. I also don't think that Darren Wilson needed to shoot Mike Brown that many times. There's such a fucking thing as continuum of force, dawg.
author=harmonic
I speak for the silent majority instead.
Harmonic is the lorax, you guys. He speaks for the trees.
author=harmonic
And then there's the soft racism of lower expectations for non-whites. That's a leftist thing. And it's pretty abhorrent, maybe you should start paying attention to that as well.
There is truth here, though. I personally find it extremely racist that (white) SJWs think that minorities must be referred to with the exact right labels ("people of color") or they must NEVER hear white people use the n-word in any context or they will go into histrionics, or that women are so frail and pathetic that seeing a risque shirt will chase them out of STEM fields. The whole (white) SJW attitude towards minorities is so virulently condescending that it feels actually racist.
I really fucking hate SJWs. I also hate pretty much anyone who watches Fox News except to laugh at its increasingly laughable awfulness. As you can imagine, when it comes to politics I have very few allies on the internet.
author=Ratty524
You might want to reread Mawk's post. He was talking about how the entire political system in the United BigotsStates of America stacks favors whites so much, that being "racist" against them holds absolutely no ground to bet legitimate racism to begin with. Many in a few other countries this wouldn't be true, but not 'Murica.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'holds absolutely no ground to bet' in the first place.
When I was 18 and trying to fly out of Atlanta with my friend, I was told rather cattily that I had missed my flight by the black airline employee because I was a few minutes later to check in. I was out a lot of money, and would have to go back to the hotel we'd already checked out of to wait. Then the black airline employee let the black family several spaces BEHIND US in the line check in to the EXACT SAME FLIGHT.
Obviously this did not result in my injury or death, so it's not that big of a deal, but it was a real thing that actually happened.
So why was that not 'legitimate racism'? Are we limiting our definition of racism to the kind that's fatal?
Anyway I cannot reread mawk's post because I have ?him? on ignore for my mental health. Any question I may have accidentally asked mawk in a previous post was purely rhetorical.
suzy_cheesedreams
1480
I've rolled my eyes more times than I thought possible while reading all this...
Max and Harmonic, trying to turn this discussion around from the oppression of minorities to the "oppression" of the majority is pretty despicable.
OBVIOUSLY every human being suffers from someone else abusing them in some way based on fucking anything - people who are inclined to be abusive will be, and will find any perceived flaw of another person to do so.
The problem discussed in this topic however is SPECIFICALLY the centuries-long, systematic abuse of Black people and other minorities in Northern America, and how the system has been built up by white people for white people.
There would be a cultural collective psychological impact (as there would be from any sort of widespread abuse of any group of people) from what Ratty pointed out in America that white people (and other races I guess not specifically related to the American slavery thing) cannot fully understand simply because they have not experienced it and it is not specific to them at all.
Also as a sidenote I disagree that ALL cops are bad, and I don't think Max that you mean literally every single police officer is a shitbag. But that was just something that was nagging at me :P
edit: okay you beat me to it, maybe you DO hate all cops. I don't know. But as I read all that last night I thought of all the police officers who rescue children and solve murders ethically and who are actually caring, compassionate members of their communities. They exist, too, though I do definitely agree that there would be malevolent, belligerent assholes who get off on having authority over "ordinary" citizens.
Max and Harmonic, trying to turn this discussion around from the oppression of minorities to the "oppression" of the majority is pretty despicable.
OBVIOUSLY every human being suffers from someone else abusing them in some way based on fucking anything - people who are inclined to be abusive will be, and will find any perceived flaw of another person to do so.
The problem discussed in this topic however is SPECIFICALLY the centuries-long, systematic abuse of Black people and other minorities in Northern America, and how the system has been built up by white people for white people.
There would be a cultural collective psychological impact (as there would be from any sort of widespread abuse of any group of people) from what Ratty pointed out in America that white people (and other races I guess not specifically related to the American slavery thing) cannot fully understand simply because they have not experienced it and it is not specific to them at all.
Also as a sidenote I disagree that ALL cops are bad, and I don't think Max that you mean literally every single police officer is a shitbag. But that was just something that was nagging at me :P
edit: okay you beat me to it, maybe you DO hate all cops. I don't know. But as I read all that last night I thought of all the police officers who rescue children and solve murders ethically and who are actually caring, compassionate members of their communities. They exist, too, though I do definitely agree that there would be malevolent, belligerent assholes who get off on having authority over "ordinary" citizens.
author=PentagonBuddyAnd that's fair enough!
and yeah, even in the context of a joke I'll stick by "context matters", har har. who is saying it, where, and why, basically. There are totally situations/places where I think busting in to be all "lol white people suck" would be insensitive/inappropriate. I draw my lines where I feel a joke is gonna be harmful/spreads harmful ideas. That's not always obvious, so i think about it on a case-by-case basis.
author=Max McGeeYou're well within your right to find the joke dumb and tasteless, but if it really caused you to feel deeply hurt and upset, I think you need to develop thicker skin.
First off, if this was indeed somehow meant as a joke, it's a fucking terrible, shitty joke. You have critically failed your 'make a joke on the internet' check. Secondly and obviously relatedly, I want you to know that upon reading this, my immediate reaction was to feel deeply hurt and upset.
author=Max McGeeSo you're saying you're deeply offended as much by racism against black people as you are by racism against your own race?
Exactly the same. What does that say about me?
author=Max McGeeFWIW, As an actual "person of colour" I hate this term too.
I personally find it extremely racist that (white) SJWs think that minorities must be referred to with the exact right labels ("people of color")
In other news, why do I feel like a spokeperson for ethnic minorities around here? Are there that few of us on RMN? I mean, I'm not even black so I probably wouldn't be affected by these issues the same way in the great US of A but I feel so self-conscious right now.
...probably my fault in getting involved in these discussions in the first place. Honestly, I just wanna play video games, man...
Max and Harmonic, trying to turn this discussion around from the oppression of minorities to the "oppression" of the majority is pretty despicable.
Yes that would be despicable if I was doing it you jerk. Maybe harmonic is doing that but not me. This is again someone--I am going to guess an SJW based on the trends I've observed--speaking to an argument I am not making. (Sidenote: whites are not the majority everywhere, just FYI.)
I am doing no such thing. Someone in this thread LITERALLY SAID 'Racism Against White People' doesn't exist. Like...actually unprovoked, if I recall correctly. Why don't you get on THEM? I was just responding to that unbelievably asinine statement. That's it, full stop.
I don't even fucking think white people ARE oppressed! Like, at all!
author=suzy
The problem discussed in this topic however is SPECIFICALLY the centuries-long, systematic abuse of Black people and other minorities in Northern America, and how the system has been built up by white people for white people.
Correction. This thread is about uniformed thugs murdering citizens with no fear of reprisal. Institutionalized racism is big a part of that but it's not the whole story.
author=suzy
Also as a sidenote I disagree that ALL cops are bad, and I don't think Max that you mean literally every single police officer is a shitbag. But that was just something that was nagging at me :P
Look I admit I am quote unquote "racist" against Blue people. Every cop is a shitbag (racist) thug to me unless proven otherwise.
Yellow Magic you ninja'd me.
What you literally wrote without any kind of context or tone to indicate it was a joke, was that ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY THE SCUM OF THE EARTH.
Um, yes. Or Asians. Or Native Americans. Or Middle Easterners. Or whatever. Of course. What kind of fucking person ISN'T just as offended by racism regardless of who it's directed at? Racism is bad! I am against racism IN GENERAL.
Institutionalized racism affecting black and brown people in the United States over the last several centuries/decades is HORRIFYING. It's obviously much more serious than any form of racism against whites in the western world. But all racism is still bad!
That is the last thing I have to say against the topic of "racism against white people" in this thread unless someone posts some vile bullshit I feel powerless not to answer.
...if it really caused you to feel deeply hurt and upset, I think you need to develop thicker skin.
What you literally wrote without any kind of context or tone to indicate it was a joke, was that ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY THE SCUM OF THE EARTH.
author=Yellow Magic
So you're saying you're deeply offended as much by racism against black people as you are by racism against your own race?
Um, yes. Or Asians. Or Native Americans. Or Middle Easterners. Or whatever. Of course. What kind of fucking person ISN'T just as offended by racism regardless of who it's directed at? Racism is bad! I am against racism IN GENERAL.
Institutionalized racism affecting black and brown people in the United States over the last several centuries/decades is HORRIFYING. It's obviously much more serious than any form of racism against whites in the western world. But all racism is still bad!
That is the last thing I have to say against the topic of "racism against white people" in this thread unless someone posts some vile bullshit I feel powerless not to answer.
author=Max McGee
Um, yes. Or Asians. Or Native Americans. Or Middle Easterners. Or whatever. Of course. What kind of fucking person ISN'T just as offended by racism regardless of who it's directed at? Racism is bad! I am against racism IN GENERAL.
Wow, okay. FWIW, personally I have no qualms about admitting that I'm more offended at attacks against my own race than others, and I have nothing against people who feel the same way.
We're all humans, not Jesus Christ or Yugi Muto
author=suzy_cheesedreams
Max and Harmonic, trying to turn this discussion around from the oppression of minorities to the "oppression" of the majority is pretty despicable.
That's not what's happening. Come on, friend.
Wow, okay. FWIW, personally I have no qualms about admitting that I'm more offended at attacks against my own race than others, and I have nothing against people who feel the same way.
We're all humans, not Jesus Christ or Yugi Muto
I completely understand. And I don't think I'm the Dalai Lama either or anything. I do, however, have an almost fatalistic adherence to certain principles and values.
But while...I was more hurt by your comment because it was about my race, and it made me feel more sad, but I did not think for a second that it was any more WRONG...I hope that makes sense.
IN OTHER NEWS COP ACTUALLY THROWS GRENADE AT ACTUAL BABY, IS SERIOUSLY NOT INDICTED. I didn't think anything as horrifying as police brutality could approach a Poe's law level, but its looking like it. These pigs are out of contorl.
Btw Max, I don't hate all cops as a rule. Nor do I love all cops as a rule. Darren Wilson I support. The choke hold guy, I don't. It's a case by case basis.
It's a strange burden the bureaucracy places on law enforcement. They create extremely dumb laws that police people are expected to kill/die to protect, like selling cigs outside of the package.
It's the same people who make those terrible laws as those who will yell the loudest during these issues claiming cops are just out to kill blacks for fun. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
It's a strange burden the bureaucracy places on law enforcement. They create extremely dumb laws that police people are expected to kill/die to protect, like selling cigs outside of the package.
It's the same people who make those terrible laws as those who will yell the loudest during these issues claiming cops are just out to kill blacks for fun. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
suzy_cheesedreams
1480
Hahahahahaha! An "ass".
Harmonic is more flagrant than you are, yeah, and I understand that you don't agree with his stance. But you ARE arguing that left-wing fiends are trying to control how you're supposed to feel, what you say, all that, as though people trying to encourage others to have empathy for other human beings and to not be such myopic, pessimistic egotists is some horrible thing. I know you're meaning the people who blow up about any sort of perceived hate crime like that scientist's babe shirt; I do agree that there are people who are hyper-sensitive and misguided in their views. I also realize that your point is that you are NOT speaking from the angle that this is a white versus black race issue in America, more that it is a police versus everybody thing.
The "racism against white people - not real" thing: I don't think anyone means that Black people or Hispanic or Asian or whomever can't have a hatred for white people, that that is non-existent or whatever. I think the no racism against whites statement is true in the sense that white people have most of the power in America and have done since its creation. There is no systematic racism against white people because they are the ones with the power and authority. There are lots of other ways that white people with authority to use subjugate each other, race obviously is not one of those, so yeah it's not as if because you're white you're set for a great life no matter what.
It's so much more complex than what I can try to say about it, haha.
Honestly, I'm terrible at arguing like this and I do accept the "ass" title as I don't think you're as wantonly ignorant as Harmonic, and I see that you're more focussed on the conflict between the police and people in general, so yeah you're right that technically this whole thread as in, what you are discussing, is not a entirely about racial conflict.
I'm not a goddamned social justice warrior, I'm just a person who is trying to be empathetic to others as I agree strongly with what Pentagon said much earlier in the topic. I think that empathy is an important and influential human quality. I disagree with you that empathy or kindness or whatever will ultimately amount to nothing because you can have no influence over change or anything else in your lifetime... the general positive influence your kindness could have on other people throughout your daily life matters, doesn't it? If that is possible, then why wouldn't it be possible on a larger scale?
The "every cop is a turd" thing HAS been proved otherwise, by all the police who do their job well in that they actually work to aid and protect the people they're supposed to, who don't abuse their power to help themselves or to hurt others.
Anyway, that was a long ramble. I meandered all over the place so I will accept any further criticism of my arguments against yours, because mine structurally are so flawed XD
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Bleeeeh, honestly you can shove your condescension. I don't want to/even need to point out the ridiculous things you've said as they're littered all through this topic. You're clearly not going to have your opinion changed by any thing I say, so yeah I don't really care.
Harmonic is more flagrant than you are, yeah, and I understand that you don't agree with his stance. But you ARE arguing that left-wing fiends are trying to control how you're supposed to feel, what you say, all that, as though people trying to encourage others to have empathy for other human beings and to not be such myopic, pessimistic egotists is some horrible thing. I know you're meaning the people who blow up about any sort of perceived hate crime like that scientist's babe shirt; I do agree that there are people who are hyper-sensitive and misguided in their views. I also realize that your point is that you are NOT speaking from the angle that this is a white versus black race issue in America, more that it is a police versus everybody thing.
The "racism against white people - not real" thing: I don't think anyone means that Black people or Hispanic or Asian or whomever can't have a hatred for white people, that that is non-existent or whatever. I think the no racism against whites statement is true in the sense that white people have most of the power in America and have done since its creation. There is no systematic racism against white people because they are the ones with the power and authority. There are lots of other ways that white people with authority to use subjugate each other, race obviously is not one of those, so yeah it's not as if because you're white you're set for a great life no matter what.
It's so much more complex than what I can try to say about it, haha.
Honestly, I'm terrible at arguing like this and I do accept the "ass" title as I don't think you're as wantonly ignorant as Harmonic, and I see that you're more focussed on the conflict between the police and people in general, so yeah you're right that technically this whole thread as in, what you are discussing, is not a entirely about racial conflict.
I'm not a goddamned social justice warrior, I'm just a person who is trying to be empathetic to others as I agree strongly with what Pentagon said much earlier in the topic. I think that empathy is an important and influential human quality. I disagree with you that empathy or kindness or whatever will ultimately amount to nothing because you can have no influence over change or anything else in your lifetime... the general positive influence your kindness could have on other people throughout your daily life matters, doesn't it? If that is possible, then why wouldn't it be possible on a larger scale?
The "every cop is a turd" thing HAS been proved otherwise, by all the police who do their job well in that they actually work to aid and protect the people they're supposed to, who don't abuse their power to help themselves or to hurt others.
Anyway, that was a long ramble. I meandered all over the place so I will accept any further criticism of my arguments against yours, because mine structurally are so flawed XD
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author=harmonicauthor=suzy_cheesedreamsThat's not what's happening. Come on, friend.
Max and Harmonic, trying to turn this discussion around from the oppression of minorities to the "oppression" of the majority is pretty despicable.
Bleeeeh, honestly you can shove your condescension. I don't want to/even need to point out the ridiculous things you've said as they're littered all through this topic. You're clearly not going to have your opinion changed by any thing I say, so yeah I don't really care.
I'm not going to speak to any SJW stuff or why I think 'political correctness' sucks ass to avoid derailing further.
To be fair, I CHANGED 'ASS' TO THE MILDER 'JERK' IN AN EDIT SHORTLY AFTER POSTING BECAUSE I FELT REALLY BAD FLAMING SOMEONE SO NEW, SO THERE'S THAT.
Sorry for being unclear. I meant I think that every cop is an asshole except for the INDIVIDUAL COPS that prove me wrong with their actions. I know this is an extremist position. I just don't care.
Would you agree that selective prosecution and enforcement of arbitrarily criminalized marijuana (which is a total bullshit law in the first place because pot is less harmful than alcohol) is used as a tool of the establishment to keep generations of young black and brown men behind bars for most of their lives?
author=suzy
Honestly, I'm terrible at arguing like this and I do accept the "ass" title as I don't think you're as wantonly ignorant as Harmonic, and I see that you're more focussed on the conflict between the police and people in general, so yeah you're right that technically this whole thread as in, what you are discussing, is not a entirely about racial conflict.
To be fair, I CHANGED 'ASS' TO THE MILDER 'JERK' IN AN EDIT SHORTLY AFTER POSTING BECAUSE I FELT REALLY BAD FLAMING SOMEONE SO NEW, SO THERE'S THAT.
author=suzy
The "every cop is a turd" thing HAS been proved otherwise, by all the police who do their job well in that they actually work to aid and protect the people they're supposed to, who don't abuse their power to help themselves or to hurt others.
Sorry for being unclear. I meant I think that every cop is an asshole except for the INDIVIDUAL COPS that prove me wrong with their actions. I know this is an extremist position. I just don't care.
author=harmonic
It's a strange burden the bureaucracy places on law enforcement. They create extremely dumb laws that police people are expected to kill/die to protect, like selling cigs outside of the package.
It's the same people who make those terrible laws as those who will yell the loudest during these issues claiming cops are just out to kill blacks for fun. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Would you agree that selective prosecution and enforcement of arbitrarily criminalized marijuana (which is a total bullshit law in the first place because pot is less harmful than alcohol) is used as a tool of the establishment to keep generations of young black and brown men behind bars for most of their lives?
suzy_cheesedreams
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Hahaha, I didn't take it as a flame, and I thought it was hilarious. I always just take ass as meaning "idiot" anyway, and I think I did make some mistakes in how I addressed your argument (so just in case you thought so I wasn't being sarcastic or anything before, I honestly think my writing is terrible and I invite you or anyone else to point out any error you think I've made).
Anyway yeah I did not intend to derail the topic either.
I don't really know what else there is to say that hasn't already been said, though.
Edit: a lot, I would imagine, I just don't have enough understanding on this subject, and all of the factors therein - police brutality, institutionalised racism, guns, violence etc. - beyond the basics to say anything more.
Anyway yeah I did not intend to derail the topic either.
I don't really know what else there is to say that hasn't already been said, though.
Edit: a lot, I would imagine, I just don't have enough understanding on this subject, and all of the factors therein - police brutality, institutionalised racism, guns, violence etc. - beyond the basics to say anything more.
