FINAL FANTASY XV

Kindredz

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kindredz is michael burry your idol or something

i like the game's weapon system.

Oh, you know a name!

No, I just have sense and logic. Now you don't need these things to access the internet, clearly, but those traits help when you want people to believe that you know what you're talking about. Or I guess I could just insult people and say "you're wrong" with no facts or figures like others have done.

I mean, I'm not friends with any of you here but I recognize screennames from years ago and it's sad that many of you don't seem to have grown at all. Many of you seemed to be quite intelligent...and talented! What have you done with that? As big as you guys talked all those years ago, I expected to see threads about your finished games, working for major developers or starting your own companies, wedding, divorces, etc...or not seeing the same at all because you're too busy with life...but nope! Same old names, same old threads, same old snarky mentality for damn near a decade. Hell, in just the last few years the gaming market itself has drastically changed...anyway, that's neither here nor there because again, I don't personally know any of you so if love your life then do you, bros.

lol

Maybe I shouldn't have bumped this topic in the first place. There's this one person who's being so ridiculous.

Oh, wait. Right. It's April Fool's Day.

author=Kindredz
If this game releases at $60 then it would need to sell more copies than all of the prior FF sales numbers combined. And again, I purposely low-balled costs in this estimate. Releasing this game at $60 would be insanity.

Where are you getting your numbers? The only numbers I'm aware of (from Wikipedia) place FF7 at over 9 million sold, and FF8 at over 8 million. FF10 was 6 million, and FF12 was close to that number as well. Moreover, when you actually check out the sources for those numbers, many are missing international markets. And every one ranks in the top 15 best selling games on their respective systems. If FF15 sold more than all of the previous Final Fantasies combined, it would be the best selling console game of all time, beating out even those that came free with their systems (such as the original Super Mario Bros).

I tried finding reliable video game development cost data without much success, but it seems like FF13 may have been in the $90 million range, and $300 million as perhaps the most expensive AAA game of all time. Not sure if that's true, but that gives us a reasonable upper bound for FF15. We can assume between $20-40 goes back to SquareEnix for each sale.

That gives us a break even point of anywhere between 3.75 million and 15 million in sales.

But we know SquareEnix wouldn't expect 15 million in sales. We also know, based upon FF13's development, that they're willing to cut development down to keep budgets within a certain range. So we're probably looking at them earning at least $30/game or a budget less than $300 million.

Any project that has to get remade certainly suffers from a bloated budget. On the flip side, as SquareEnix showed with FF14, remaking a project can be worth it, and if FF15 ends up as a blockbuster, they'll make money on it no matter what.

If it were me, I'm guessing that they'd be happy with 7.5 million in sales. And I'm guessing that 7.5 million is an achievable figure.

Bottom line though, I don't know where you're getting your numbers Kindredz, but they don't make any sense and aren't grounded in reality.

As for FFXV itself, I'm optimistic. It's clear a lot of effort is being put in the game. And it's also clear they aren't pushing it out early just to be done with it. I think it'll be good.

A lot of the work they did on FF15 will be reused for other games. For example, they built a whole new engine for it, but that engine is gonna be used in at least half a dozen other games also. They will be able to reuse a lot of the graphics and sound in FFXV-2 and FFXV-3.

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There are basically two schools of Final Fantasy game design. And most main series FF games are a blending of the two styles, to some extent, because they know they alienate a lot of fans otherwise. But when they just take one style to its absolute extreme, they get FFXV. And when they take the other style to its absolute extreme, they get Bravely Default.

And, uh, Bravely Default is everything I've ever wanted out of a Final Fantasy game.

Things I dislike in FF games: modern settings, open world exploration, real-time combat, automatic party members, any type of gameplay simplifications, teenagers, angst, focus on graphical quality.

Things I like in FF games: medieval settings, linear storytelling, world maps, turn-based combat, complex job systems, tactical planning and preparation, airships, being chosen by the crystals.

LockeZ
A lot of the work they did on FF15 will be reused for other games. For example, they built a whole new engine for it, but that engine is gonna be used in at least half a dozen other games also. They will be able to reuse a lot of the graphics and sound in FFXV-2 and FFXV-3.

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There are basically two schools of Final Fantasy game design. And most main series FF games are a blending of the two styles, to some extent, because they know they alienate a lot of fans otherwise. But when they just take one style to its absolute extreme, they get FFXV. And when they take the other style to its absolute extreme, they get Bravely Default.

And, uh, Bravely Default is everything I've ever wanted out of a Final Fantasy game.

Things I dislike in FF games: modern settings, open world exploration, real-time combat, automatic party members, any type of gameplay simplifications, teenagers, angst, focus on graphical quality.

Things I like in FF games: medieval settings, linear storytelling, world maps, turn-based combat, complex job systems, tactical planning and preparation, airships, being chosen by the crystals.

BRAVELY SECOND COMES OUT IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS i spent six hours in the demo x_x

And yeah, like I've mentinoed before in this thread, the PC thing is hopefully going to happen. I doubt it'll be on the release day, but hopefully within a year after... that'd be nice. For, like, people in general. I don't think my laptop will be able to run it; I actually used the Nvidia console to turn off AA in Lightning Returns so that I could start hitting 50-60 fps.

"non-hd-realistic graphics"

i mean. have you read your posts

author=Kindredz
I was wrong about the price but not about everything else. $60 a game? Again, they're gonna need to sell more copies than the entire catalogue or it will be a massive failure. If that Kingdom Hearts circa 2004 demo is what people should be looking forward to? Good luck with that.

I just don't understand where you're getting this projection from, since FFXV doesn't have that much of a marketing cost than many other AAA games. Besides for the development time, the rest is pretty standard stuff. I mean, Rockstar covers entire sides of buildings in NYC with GTA adverts.

You still have failed to provide an equivalent precedent where a AAA game has had to charge more than 60 bucks to cover the cost of production and marketing.

i mean threatrhythm curtain call is so good that i keep it in my 3ds at all times and only download games because... why take FF:TR out???

also pls. i'm not an elitist dick. i'm rmn's premier anti-villain

edit: bravely second in two days, kasnasfeadl it's already downloaded on my 3ds. i'm going to spend the next two days calculating its marketing costs to make sure that my $40 was adequate coverage

I am prepared to see this in Theatrhythm 3. Then I can die happy.