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Erave
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Simple question. Simple answer. If you could elabortate that'd be great.
Does Tetris belong on the Top 10 Greatest Video Games of all time? Go!
(My answer? No. I'll elaborate in a future post.)
Simple question. Simple answer. If you could elabortate that'd be great.
Does Tetris belong on the Top 10 Greatest Video Games of all time? Go!
(My answer? No. I'll elaborate in a future post.)
Erave
1444
author=Canuck link=topic=177.msg2419#msg2419 date=1186645407
I think it does.
Elaborate please.
SDHawk
2362
The inherent problem with such lists is that "the greatest" is incredibly vague. The greatest at what? Being a game? What the hell does that even mean. I'm sure you could make great argument that Tetris deserves to be the best at defining an entire genre or that it doesn't deserve to be on the list of best at emotionally affecting its players, but in the context of just "the best" you could argue for just about any aspect because it's undefined beyond what elements the people participating value most in their games. Since every voter in a list (whether a public vote or a staff vote of the magazine doing it) is using a different set of values to define the greatest these things are basicly worthless beyond finding the most popular games. That and boosting website views by posting intentionally controversial lists to rile people up.
Canuck
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author=Erave link=topic=177.msg2420#msg2420 date=1186645539author=Canuck link=topic=177.msg2419#msg2419 date=1186645407
I think it does.
Elaborate please.
I'll elaborate right after you.
Erave
1444
The main arguement for Tetris being the best game ever (and let's assume we mean best to mean, most successful and still fun to this day, not infleunctial) is that it's still popular today, many people play it, it's accessible, and fun.
To this I say. Would you put "Mary Had A Little Lamb" as the best song ever because it's simple and acessible and lots of people like to sing it. Tetris is fun. It's a cool game. But is it really one of the best games ever?
To this I say. Would you put "Mary Had A Little Lamb" as the best song ever because it's simple and acessible and lots of people like to sing it. Tetris is fun. It's a cool game. But is it really one of the best games ever?
I dunno about best game ever, but I think it was the second best launch game ever (first being Wii Sports). Everyone wanted to play Tetris, and due to Nintendo's awesome legal team, the only way to get it was on the Gameboy. The year they came out, my family actually got three of them.
Erave
1444
Good post Brandon.
I think that the best game would definitely be a quality game that has shown the best of what a particular franchise/genre has to offer. For instance, some people may say Mario 64 was the best game ever, but I would disagree, because while it's an amazing game and highly infleuntial I would say Banjo Kazooie (a similar game in most aspects) took what Mario 64 did but better.
Now, Tetris, I understand is a fun game and appeals to many ages and has great longevity. Heck, I even find 5 minutes of entertainment playing it. But best game ever? No way.
I think that the best game would definitely be a quality game that has shown the best of what a particular franchise/genre has to offer. For instance, some people may say Mario 64 was the best game ever, but I would disagree, because while it's an amazing game and highly infleuntial I would say Banjo Kazooie (a similar game in most aspects) took what Mario 64 did but better.
Now, Tetris, I understand is a fun game and appeals to many ages and has great longevity. Heck, I even find 5 minutes of entertainment playing it. But best game ever? No way.
Tsukuru
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Actually, I think Tetris does belong as the #1 greatest game of all time. It was a simple puzzle game that's still played today. Not to mention it was very attictive. :P
Tetris, Pac Man, Space Invaders, Asteroids, Super Mario Bros., SMB3, SM64, Dragon Quest III, Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, StarCraft, Command & Conquer, DOOM, Quake, Half-Life, Civilization III, GoldenEye, Super Smash Bros, SimCity 2000 all come to mind.
Tetris is a highly addictive, unique and worthy game of anyone's Top 10 list.
Tetris is a highly addictive, unique and worthy game of anyone's Top 10 list.
I think kentona is dead on, though I would disagree with him on which games he picked from different series.
Tetris is a timeless classic that spawn countless clones. Its gameplay has remained practically unchanged yet we still play it today. I think maladroit's Citizen Kane analogy is very fitting here. It's no longer the shiniest but without it many future games would not have existed, like Meteos, Lumines, Hexic, etc. Practically the entire casual game market for that matter.
By casual games I don't mean your grandmother playing the Wii, I mean your girlfriend playing Bejeweled on your computer all day, barring you from logging on to WoW.
Tetris is a timeless classic that spawn countless clones. Its gameplay has remained practically unchanged yet we still play it today. I think maladroit's Citizen Kane analogy is very fitting here. It's no longer the shiniest but without it many future games would not have existed, like Meteos, Lumines, Hexic, etc. Practically the entire casual game market for that matter.
By casual games I don't mean your grandmother playing the Wii, I mean your girlfriend playing Bejeweled on your computer all day, barring you from logging on to WoW.
Erave
1444
Tetris is a game you play for 15 minutes and then toss asside. It's not an investment, there's no goal, you don't feel a sense of accomplishment when you beat it.
Sure, it's still fun now, but so is solitaire on my computer.
Sure, it's still fun now, but so is solitaire on my computer.
SDHawk
2362
This argument isn't even about whether tetris deserves to be on the top 10, it's about what qualifies as a great game. And frankly comparing emotional investment to simple fun to historic impact is apples to oranges to tomatoes which is what makes these lists so pointless.
One could argue that "greatest" is how well a game impacts all of these categories at once but that's just ridiculous since many of them automatically disqualify other categories since they're opposites. A game might have a historical impact, but then since it has influenced so many other games it's bound to be overshadowed by its own children in terms of general fun. Again, a game that has deep investment on the player for greater emotional impact isn't going to have the same type of fun of a game you can just pick up and play for 5 minutes. That doesn't make one superior to the other overall, it's just a different type of experience.
One could argue that "greatest" is how well a game impacts all of these categories at once but that's just ridiculous since many of them automatically disqualify other categories since they're opposites. A game might have a historical impact, but then since it has influenced so many other games it's bound to be overshadowed by its own children in terms of general fun. Again, a game that has deep investment on the player for greater emotional impact isn't going to have the same type of fun of a game you can just pick up and play for 5 minutes. That doesn't make one superior to the other overall, it's just a different type of experience.
Canuck
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The question wasn't if Tetris is the greatest game, but if it was one of the 10 greatest games.
Tetris is great because of its simplicity. It's much harder to make an amazing simple game than to make an amazing complex game. It wasn't different to be original or innovative, it was different only because it was an idea that was never actualized. It doesn't rely on anything but its concept to be fun, and therefore will be considered fun for a long time, while games like Chrono Trigger are fun for nostalgia (would a kid of today's generation see its merit?), and Resident Evil 4 are fun for their amazing graphics and innovative control (but two things that can both easily be improved upon). Tetris doesn't need graphics, and its control is perfect for what it is.
It's not the greatest game ever though. I'd put it probably at the lower/mid section of a top 10.
Tetris is great because of its simplicity. It's much harder to make an amazing simple game than to make an amazing complex game. It wasn't different to be original or innovative, it was different only because it was an idea that was never actualized. It doesn't rely on anything but its concept to be fun, and therefore will be considered fun for a long time, while games like Chrono Trigger are fun for nostalgia (would a kid of today's generation see its merit?), and Resident Evil 4 are fun for their amazing graphics and innovative control (but two things that can both easily be improved upon). Tetris doesn't need graphics, and its control is perfect for what it is.
It's not the greatest game ever though. I'd put it probably at the lower/mid section of a top 10.
Erave
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author=WIP link=topic=177.msg2473#msg2473 date=1186705971
And how many times have you picked it up for 15 minutes, Erave? I think that's what matters more.
Probably like 3 times.
But that's a good point.
I agree it's all in how you define "greatest." Some want to place games high because of lasting influence. And there's this bit of retro-ness that has aged well that gives Tetris a high spot on most people's lists I'd imagine.
maladroithim
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author=Canuck link=topic=177.msg2475#msg2475 date=1186708256
Tetris doesn't need graphics, and its control is perfect for what it is.
Tetris has had its control revised several times over its many iterations.
Mewd
1501
What this comes down to, I figure, is personal preferance anyway. There's no way to define what games are simply the best. You can argue about how influential a game has been, or how well it has held up against the test of time, but the only thing that really makes a game great is how a given player feels about them.
That said; I like tetris, it's a brilliant yet spectacularly simple game. But if I had to make a list of ten games that I would spend the rest of my life playing exclusively, Tetris wouldn't be on it.
That said; I like tetris, it's a brilliant yet spectacularly simple game. But if I had to make a list of ten games that I would spend the rest of my life playing exclusively, Tetris wouldn't be on it.
