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oddRABBIT
I feel bored. How odd.
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It's a good point, Kloe, but as Liberty said, we can't be sure.

Liberty, for some reason, that made me think "Whodunnit?". I really don't know why.
author=Kloe
I guess you're right, really. I don't trust you, and you're still my prime suspect, but I think we shouldn't let them make us try to destroy each-other while they get away with it.
What now everyone? Who do we question, who do we ask, what do we need to know? (other than who is murdering everyone)


It's fine; as soon as I saw the green TOWN text by Gourd's name, I knew I was going to be spending the following 48 hours being suspect. Especially from you.

As for what to do now; first maybe we should work out the possible scenarios. See what sounds reasonable, question together around each situation. I don't think spending the day at each other's throats is going to provide us any solid answers. Open-minded, theoretical discussion seems best.

That said:
Kloe - Worked with piano to organize the tirade to sacrifice piano and solidify herself as innocent. Baited people to accuse her, so she could react. Spin yesterday into Team Gourd VS Team Makio in her posts in order to use that as a reason to pin Makio as Mafia the next day.
* The detail that feels odd about this is that middle bit where she 'pretended' to agree that Gourd was the guilty party and that she regretted her vote for me.
* The piano/Kloe situation works better if there is another Mafia on top of those two.
* This also all ties into the fact that Kloe did NOT vote for piano on the first day, despite being so sure piano was Mafia. (A detail that remains very curious to me.) As Mafia, it wouldn't make sense for her to sacrifice piano that early in the game.

Jeroen_Sol - Pretends to suspect piano all along to solidify themself as trustworthy. Helps pin things on Gourd yesterday so town hangs Gourd.
* Works best if they are working WITH Kloe, since then Kloe's sudden tactic to make the Gourd thing sound like it was mainly instigated by Makio, would be a way to pull suspicion away from Jeroen.
* Detail that strikes me odd about this, was Joroen almost flat out admitting that Makio gave them the null vote and that was a reason to trust her. Though this detail becomes supported again if their aim was to take out Gourd and set Makio up to take the fall for it the next day (This ONLY works if they are working with Kloe and knew she would toss the shade Makio's way at the end of the day.)

oddRABBIT - plays a potentially deadly gamble with piano at the end of Day 2 to try to sacrifice themself or piano and solidify the innocence of that survivor. Has been very quiet and not contributed too much in the way of theories.
* Thing that strikes me odd about that is that oddRABBIT always seems to vote against the grain. However that might be a gambit to distance themselves from the lynchings and appear to not be contributing to any one strategy.

Yellow Magic - plays a very confusing game, pretends to forget Isreiri is dead to try to cast themselves in an innocent light. Also suspected Gourd yesterday and questioned Kloe's idea that Makio was guilty which could be a similar play to what was mentioned in Joroen's bit there. Fakes guilt this morning for how they've been playing after the Gourd thing was wrong. YM was one of the few other people to vote for RABBIT the night of piano's lynching. (the other being Crystal, who made that vote with a double vote)
* The forgetting Isreiri was killed gamble is WAY out there. Possible but way out there.
* YM is mysterious and their actions haven't really felt like things that would support Mafia.

I wrote one for myself but that felt like a self defense and that would just turn into finger pointing. So someone else write one for me. And feel free to contribute more thoughts or dispute points.
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
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Ah, no!! I had like three and a half paragraphs and my browser crashed! :'(

Basically I said thank you Libby and then asked a bunch of questions! I'll make short versions of them here and hope it doesn't crash again! DAMN IT CHROME!

Maki, can you show us your "suspicious" list you mentioned when talking about odd?
Odd, how much time untill you need to go?
Jeroen, who is your prime suspect?
Yellow, why do you think you are suspicious? (other than helping the town via small lies here and there)
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
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Also ninja post by Maki, yet again... I wish I could type faster...

I didn't on the first day, only on the second, I said "all along" (if I did) to sound amazing!
Can I hear yours Maki, I'm only curious!
I just have a gut feeling and one or two posts here and there feel very leading and odd...
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
(Argh I forgot something)
People keep saying I just didn't vote on day one, that isn't true, I personally voted myself, doesn't make a difference but it just gets me a little annoyed when I read that since it isn't strictly true...

All your theorys have them working with me, I'm flattered you think they only could've been murderers with the super duper Kloe at their side, but it's untrue, my views may have accedentally helped Mafia here and there, but I'm really really not trying to help them, which is why I won't keep saying "It's Maki, It's Maki" today, because that just helps them, that is what they want so they won't get that!! >:D
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
*all but one, sorry, I messed up there, at least I'm not getting ninja'd
I think that it works better if they are also working with you, but it's not impossible without you. The biggest thing is that your sudden shift in tone from voting for me, to regretting it, to outright accusing me for pages on was rather predictable from an outsiders view. So it would have been an odd thing to form a strategy around. I think there's still merit in either YM or Jeroen simply allowing us to vote for Gourd; letting me take the blame for it might have been an added benefit from your attack that they were not counting on.

As for my own, it would be in many was similar to Gourd's. Based on your own suggestions: that Makio pretend to suspect piano to distance herself from him and to sacrifice him to distance herself more. That she help instigate town hanging Gourd. Points against that would be: Why did Makio allow Kloe to point her as the leader knowing it's only going to hurt her cause? Flip side of that is that it might have been allowed to protect a third scum. Why did she vote piano on the first day, when suspect of piano was still rather slim at that time. Flipside, to be able to say that later.

On that note, combinations that I feel are plausible:
Joroen/Kloe
Joroen/Makio
YM/Kloe
YM/Joroen (this terrifies me)

Of course, any solo situation is possible as well.

(Also I didn't say you didn't vote at all, I said that you didn't vote for piano. Which is truth.)
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
"YM/Joroen (this terrifies me)" Yep, it does here too, Piano, YM and Jeroen (STOP FORGETTING THE E) is frightening!

The sudden change was because I suddenly had a random feeling of "It's Maki, I'm gonna accuse her and hm.... Wait, yes, It is her BLAH BLAH BALH"

I know you didn't say that, it's just some people have and it irritates me, even though it really shouldn't!

I agree with most of your last post, but honestly the theory about you doesn't ring true as something that has actually happened, thank you for sharing, I now trust you a little. Also you never shared your most to least list of who you thought was most suspicious. It's not as important after your post on how each person could be the mafia, but I would still like to see, the more the better!
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Hmm... So alignments of modkilled people won't be revealed even now. That's very unfortunate.

The following works only if there's one scum left, not if there's two.

I think the reason why Crystal was killed may have more significance than just a random kill. What if it wasn't that they didn't kill an "experienced" player, but that they couldn't?

If they had killed me instead of CrystalMint, there would be one "experienced" player left, namely Yellow Magic. Then the trend would dictate that Yellow Magic be killed next. If Yellow Magic were scum, he would survive that night and be forced to kill an "inexperienced" player, which would obviously be very bad for him, as people would start wondering why he was still alive. Therefore, it would be prudent not to kill me.

Of course, this logic could just as well be applied to me instead, and it's very likely I'm looking into this too much as well.
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
Yup, I like the theory but yes, it seems like you are "very likely looking into this too much"
We should think of more things as "not that they didn't, but that they couldn't?" it seems like a good way to think! But not a whole lot prevents people from doing what they want (mostly) in Mafia...
There's no looking too much into anything at this point. It's a very good point. While you are correct that the logic can be ruled against you as well as YM, I think it's important that we share theories that could even be pointed at ourselves.

We're going to need to dig deep to figure this out.

As for my innocent list, it sorta looks like uhh... a jumbled mess like this.
oddRABBIT
Jeroen/Kloe/YM

haha so it's not really a very good "list' per-say. Mostly I just wanted it to be clear that oddRABBIT feels like the least suspicious person, simply because the piano/oddRABBIT debacle feels too risky for them to have both been mafia. (ESPECIALLY knowing that the powers we not in either of their hands that day. Had they had the null or double vote, playing a gamble that big to sacrifice one and solidify the other as innocent would have been a bit more logical.) Ah, but then you could argue that I had the null vote that day and if I was in with them, could have provided that security.

Now there's an interesting question. You aren't allowed to say you have powers in this chat, but can mafia say it in mafia chat?? ?? huh... Well either way, there's ways to say it without SAYING it.
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
Yes, if I want a list in future, sorry Maki, but I'm not gonna ask you for it... At least it clears up your views a bit! If you had the null vote or double vote today, who'd you use it on? I wanna know what you would do, hypothetically!
And yes, there are tons of ways like how Jeroen dd yesterday basically!
Like a lot of wink winks nudge nudges in a row with "Powers are cool" in the middle!
I am an EXPERT list maker and you know it ;D

Knowing what I'd do with a power today involves knowing what I'm going to do with my own basic vote - and I haven't decided that yet lol

The day is still young, much can happen. I tend to cast my votes at the last possible minute that I feasibly can for that very reason.

Suffice to say, I don't have a clue what I'm doing yet.
Yellow Magic
Could I BE any more Chandler Bing from Friends (TM)?
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I'm sorry but I'm not invested enough in this game to read these paragraphs amongst paragraphs. I'm assuming they're basically going over the actions of everyone in the past?

Where did I say I was suspicious, Kloe?

Food for thought: Both Makio and Jeroen used their powers and voted for the same person. Coincidence, or...?
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
For YM:
Well, you didn't say but people have said here and there, I just hoped you may have some insight!
I'd say Coincidence, god Piano + Jeroen + Maki would be devastating, if Libby did that, we'd already all be dead...
For Maki:
Expert List maker? *holds back a giggle* Now THAT'S a job I wanna see in the newspapers, "Expert List Maker wanted"
Yeah, I still don't fully know but as Gourd said just before he died, we are basically screwed so we better make the most of the 48 hours we have left, or we won't win!
Yellow Magic
Could I BE any more Chandler Bing from Friends (TM)?
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When I think about it, posting a shedload of information and then ending with "not sure who to vote for or equivalent" is a very Mafia-like tactic. looking at you, Makio/Kloe...
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
Me and Maki!?! No, if that was true, I we would've already killed EVERYONE and murdered the entire world! Like if me and Ace were part of the Mafia!

I agree lots that Maki has done looks mafia, and me defending her right now looks worse than if I didn't but argh... I hate to admit it... but she's convinced me she isn't mafia via her posts today...
My paragraphs are looking at reasons for EVERYONE so I think it's a pretty fair statement to say I'm unsure after leaving a post like that.

Me and Kloe is an interesting combo. I could see how that would work too. Though, I think it would be more viable if I played into her attack a bit more last night. That might be too similar to the piano/Kloe thing if all that were true though.
Kloe
I lost my arms in a tragic chibi accident
2236
Yeah, after this we should fight crime, Maki and Brat, crime fighting duo!
I don't know who to think either!
Just, no lying. haha

Speaking of lying, was there any good reason why you stated that you suspected piano all along, despite actually not?