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[FINISHED] KLOE THE MURDERER MAFIA
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Ratty524
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Closeauthor=LockeZ
It's not what Fearful's said or the way he's said it that makes me suspect him, it's the fact that he has avoided legitimately participating for the entire game. He's doing the same roleplay-only thing that Shinan was doing on day one, except Shinan stopped and Fearful didn't.
... And? He's actually playing this the way it's "intended" to be played, even though it's really not healthy in a mafia game.
Sorry, Kloe! :(
And... I don't think I have much to lose from this
#cancel
#lynch LockeZ
I wouldn't put it past him to play the oblivious player. Everyone keeps saying they can't read him so I'm sure that will just reinforce him to keep doing what he is doing. If he changed up now it will be obvious.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Oh, so it's a scum tell when Shinan does it, but when I find someone else who's doing the same thing, it's not any more.
Shinan
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I want to post something insightful but these recent posts has put ideas in my head of the kind that I don't know how to process yet. What's the current vote count and how long until the next night?
Everyone is making their scumlists. We should just aggregate them.
Everyone is making their scumlists. We should just aggregate them.
pianotm, I really would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and you bring up some valid points in your long post. But I'm not entirely sure how convincing your arguments are as a whole, considering how large the number of players is that you don't suspect mainly because of reasons practically unrelated to this game. And I don't understand why you have repeatedly pointed out it is likely that LockeZ is innocent, yet you have voted to lynch him multiple times over the course of this game already. Also, assuming that the chance of LockeZ being Mafia might not be too high because he already was last game is just a gambler's fallacy.
The one thing I truly don't understand is why you seem to keep changing your mind, but when someone questions your logic you refuse to explain or justify your reasoning or even to respond to accusations. To me, that looks like you're either disinterested or desperate, and both of these states are not helpful to town.
However, I do fully agree with the part where you pointed out the danger of lynching randomly, and I want to especially draw InfectionFiles' attention to this:
Even if a player is not being cooperative, our strength in numbers is the most important resource we have. I just can't agree that losing "just" one town member is not a matter of much importance, as no matter how unhelpful an ally may be, their mere existence prevents Mafia from winning the game. And I don't think you can fault me for trying to be careful about it and not making hasty decisions, since we can't afford to lose more players to misguided lynches. This is also the reason why I have doubts about lynching fearful.
The one thing I truly don't understand is why you seem to keep changing your mind, but when someone questions your logic you refuse to explain or justify your reasoning or even to respond to accusations. To me, that looks like you're either disinterested or desperate, and both of these states are not helpful to town.
However, I do fully agree with the part where you pointed out the danger of lynching randomly, and I want to especially draw InfectionFiles' attention to this:
author=pianotm
Unfortunately, if we lynch another town tonight, then scum will almost certainly use their nightkill and then we will be four town down. Now, there are plenty of us left (ten total), but that number is going to dwindle quickly. Petty random lynches are telling us nothing, ergo, they need to fucking stop.
author=InfectionFiles
I'm sticking with Shinan only because he doesn't present as town and if he is then I dont know why he would act the way he's acting. And I've said this before your big post piano and that is if he really just doesn't give a fuck then that's not helpful and besides losing a town wouldn't hurt anything.
Even if a player is not being cooperative, our strength in numbers is the most important resource we have. I just can't agree that losing "just" one town member is not a matter of much importance, as no matter how unhelpful an ally may be, their mere existence prevents Mafia from winning the game. And I don't think you can fault me for trying to be careful about it and not making hasty decisions, since we can't afford to lose more players to misguided lynches. This is also the reason why I have doubts about lynching fearful.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I might be obnoxious and not as clever as I think I am, but I promise I'm not mafia.
Pianotm is trying to pretend to be a helpful person, just not doing a great job. Fearful isn't trying at all. We have to vote for someone, so if you don't want to lynch "randomly" then suggest a better target.
I still think Kloe's slip over Slack is strongly implying that Neversilent and Shinan are on the same team, so that's not a vote that makes sense to me.
Pianotm is trying to pretend to be a helpful person, just not doing a great job. Fearful isn't trying at all. We have to vote for someone, so if you don't want to lynch "randomly" then suggest a better target.
I still think Kloe's slip over Slack is strongly implying that Neversilent and Shinan are on the same team, so that's not a vote that makes sense to me.
I feel like piano has been presenting himself as scummy. I will give him that he's been generating discussion, but it seems to me like he's also been directing it? That may be just because IF is always doing what he's doing and most the other players of the game aren't going to object to someone who appears to be actively scumhunting. In this regard, he doesn't look scummy beyond pointing a finger at nearly everybody. Seems a bit too all over the place.
Shinan has played very erratically. He's explained himself, but that doesn't change that he hasn't contributed much beyond some weird rp, with strange connections to the actual rp of the game, and all of his information gathering seems to be for himself only. He doesn't share his thoughts very often!
I think Shinan is our best bet today, and now that there aren't a bajillion hours left in the day, I'd be fine voting for him. Fearful isn't a terrible idea either for similar reasons.
omg my piano paragraph XD I meant to say - he looks scummy, but not as much as other players. I have a sneaking suspicion he's directing discussion, especially after the "I shall not post" incident. He generating discussion which is good, but the discussion seems to be limited to pointing fingers at everyone. Seems a bit too all over the place.
Just.. ignore the paragraph about piano up there I think I was having a stroke or something.
Just.. ignore the paragraph about piano up there I think I was having a stroke or something.
I recall CAVE_DOG never liking scumlists like this. He said it made it too easy for mafia to appear helpful, and that we are easier to manipulate with our thoughts on every single player out there.
Just food for thought.
Just food for thought.
#Lynch Shinan for now. I may change my mind later, but it's probably not too likely since I wait to vote until I'm fairly convinced it's our best course of action.
I suppose fearful would work too, but he's seemed just generally not here while Shinan has seemed both strange and here less often.
I suppose fearful would work too, but he's seemed just generally not here while Shinan has seemed both strange and here less often.
LockeZ
Oh, so it's a scum tell when Shinan does it, but when I find someone else who's doing the same thing, it's not any more.
That's too oversimplified. Shinan was ignoring us to do his own thing and wouldn't address us.
@NeverSilent: I confess, I've been ignoring my sense of logic with LockeZ and going with my gut. He made a lot of sense, day 1. Unfortunately, that's fallen by the wayside on day 2. I can't say fearful's not scum, but LockeZ's attack on him just doesn't make sense. Gourd makes more sense than LockeZ, right now. It's like there are two different LockeZ's. My first vote on him was because of how wildly he was voting. As you know, my second vote on him was purely retaliatory.
NeverSilent
pianotm, I really would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and you bring up some valid points in your long post. But I'm not entirely sure how convincing your arguments are as a whole, considering how large the number of players is that you don't suspect mainly because of reasons practically unrelated to this game.
Like I said, man, just lynch me if you feel that way.
author=Gourd_Clae
#Lynch Shinanfor now. I may change my mind later, but it's probably not too likely since I wait to vote until I'm fairly convinced it's our best course of action.
I suppose fearful would work too, but he's seemed just generally not here while Shinan has seemed both strange and here less often.
Considering all you've said on pianotm so far, why are you sticking with Shinan when he is far more likely to be scum in your opinion? "Lynch Shinan for now" really comes off as a lack of care for any potential town, which is pretty scummy.
??? I said he's come off as less scummy than other players. I had more reasons, but obviously I saw them as less persuasive. I'd be fine voting piano too, but I'm not sure how viable that is right now.
I guess I'll just follow Gourd. I don't really have much to go on, so, oh well.
Sorry to you're town, Shinan.
#LynchShinan
Sorry to you're town, Shinan.
#LynchShinan
I will say I disagree that LockeZ is making less. The closest thing I've seen to LockeZ being illogical was the XD comment, which isn't completely off base. Like, if you never say XD then say it immediately say it after I do, you're pretty obviously mimicking me for whatever reason. It's definitely reaching but as an additional reason to vote for piano it's not terrible to point out.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I would really like to know a list of who's voting for who right now.
